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tv00
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Posted: 04 October 2016 at 11:06am |
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Ok, so I'm back in the bad-vibe-thread:-)
I get it now;-) I just mean TMS-3 IS LOUDER:-) ALL MY MIDS ARE ORIGINAL LS_1004s from PD (PD was founded by turbosound!) 15"s & 1"s are rcf / bms sounding better, we're so happy:-) @Roadrunner: 1: Read your own posts 2: You can't read, I'm NOT doing false marketing renting them out as modded tms boxes, get it??? Back to formidable audio that you call IDIOTS: Apparently the "IDIOT" doing these "FALSE" mods is the designer Tony Andrews himself: http://www.formidableaudio.com/flashlight-reborn/flashlight-refurb-in-detail/ Here he's also doing some IDIOT mods to a F221: https://www.facebook.com/S1.SolutionOne/photos/a.1458512370840938.1073741839.749695115056004/1458513730840802/?type=3&theater LOL, what an idiot, I wonder why turbosound ever hired Tony Andrews & John Newsham that support idiotic improvements??? -Oh! -Wait a minute, -they're the founders, LOL |
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RoadRunnersDust
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That pretty much sums up every post you've made on this thread so far, so I'll agree with that as your opening line on this one...
Please directly quote the post and explain how what I said would imply that, I'm genuinely intrigued.
Since the TMS-3 isn't a single box solution this is quite amusing. I expect that the the TMS-3 being used in preference of TMS-4 on tours had nothing to do with the complete PIG of a flying system for the TMS-4 or that the TMS-3 had integral Fly points and was designed from the get go to be easily array-able either flown or ground stacked with a dedicated Sub/bass solution below..
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madboffin
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Don't forget, TMS3 and TMS4 were different products for different markets. A "single box solution" isn't the same thing as a "modular touring cabinet".
Anyway, this is Speakerplans. Experimentation, modification, upgrading/messing up an original design are all part of the fun. If you want a vintage Turbosound box to sound original, you will need an original mid driver. If you want to improve on an old design, that's a reasonable aim but will need a lot of development work. And your idea of "improve" definitely won't be the same as Sean's... |
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The TMS-3 is NOT a single box solution, hence the TSW-124.
As for the Correct drivers, any Turbo box not carrying the driver it left the factory with is NOT a Turbo box anymore. If it was load with PD for Turbo then it must must have to be a Turbo box. As for ask the Pros, I am one, I earn more than you can imagine!!!!! |
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tv00
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LOL a lot of bullshit.
Yes you questioned whether I've heard the boxes with original drivers, read back! +There's no single thing such as the original drivers, could be fane this or that, pd this or that, jbl or EV. +My customers and I prefer the cleanest most uniform sound and of course it's not false marketing renting them out as turbosound with newer drivers, this is what it is. If I was really stupid I would use the mixed original drivers (2 different 1" & 3 different 10" & 3 different 15") This way I'd get a more bumpy response and a less uniform coverage. I kept the original drivers for whenever I sell them, I would never fit something that doesn't sound as good. How about this joke: "TMS-4 demolishes TMS-3 as a single box solution, end of."
WHAAAT? Turbosound & all PA-riggers disagrees. There's a reason tms-3 was on the tours and is heavier. The tms-3 has double 10" & double 1" and more powerfull 4" bass drivers. ASK the pros, READ the manual, LISTEN to both. This thread is way off Edited by tv00 - 29 September 2016 at 6:40pm |
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Hi Ford,
I've sent emails but I don't know if you're getting them,I received yours but it was in my junk mailbox. Please have a look or try again. Thanks Peter |
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Just be sure the people sharing have the credentials to make their input valid. On this particular thread :- TMS-4 demolishes TMS-3 as a single box solution, end of. The cd-101 sounded fine, and paid the way to get the cd-102 and cd-103 variants to market. People "upgrading" Turbo boxes to me is cannibalising, I have forgotten more about TMS > Floodlight era boxes than most will ever know, the ones that worked, work great... Flood was only ever 5 way active if you wanted to really make it happen.... As for Formidable, great ideal, but solution looking for problem is a real issue, if I had a requirement I would rent the kit, but I know how to make it sing, despite the wrong drivers. Any commercial box with non-oem drivers is IMHO not worthy of the name of the carcass employed. Edited by shagnasty - 27 September 2016 at 8:41pm |
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The sound comunity is one of the most helpful and sharing community's I have ever been a part of. People tend to help and shear knowledge without gaining ekonomic or other self interest and often without getting les experienced to feel dumb.
Sound is science and art combined. The sciense part we can measure and compare. Then ther is the art and feeling. we can try to explane that to utters but it's personal and ther for needs to be respected as personal experience. Ther is no right or wrong in experiences. Let's keep it that way. Thanks for all of you that shears your knowledge and experiences. I learn and get eager to know more. |
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Thats an interesting opinion that Ive not heard from anyone else other than the "SPL=Quality" boys... Probably I should stop replying your comments, just feel the nerve of this, it's not about sound:
Please, dont start trying to chide me on making points that are based on anything other than sound when you attempt to bolster your arguments with shite like that. The chip you have on your shoulder about race has nothing to do with me, thank you very much. ---------- 1) Read the above, there is such a thing as "the original drivers", theres many that are not. 2) Ive not written anything that implies you havent heard the original loadings. 3) If you are renting the boxes out as Turbosound TMS-x then that is exactly why you should be loading them with original drivers. If you cant meet the Engineers specification then its not a TMS-x anymore and that is False Advertising. 4) Most of the people I know of with Floodlight are a bunch of Free-party crews, Im more inclined to believe the opinion of people that dont spend their time getting off their tits in a muddy field in Norfolk... 5) See 1).
It is what it means and once you understand what it means you can answer yourself...
Yes, its very easy to disregard something you dont want to hear or dont agree with as nonsense, believe me when I say that the feeling is mutual |
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tv00
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I sure get more constructive feedback speaking to John Newsham:-)
He even sent some of the real old turbo drivers they had laying at F1 for free. I really like the Funktion One founders, they don't seem to be lost in dogmatic ideas at all |
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tv00
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LOL, the cd-101 sound dull +I didn't see a SINGLE CAB that had the xover updated, so all the originals sounded crap:-)
Lot's of people actually changed their drivers into JBL because they preferred that sound. Probably I should stop replying your comments, just feel the nerve of this, it's not about sound:
All you're writing is "The kind of idiots", not a single intelligent argument! LOL, I wonder who's the idiot? Consider this: 1: Read above, there's no such things as "the original drivers", there's many, most often WRONG. 2: I did hear them with (all) the original drivers, so why do you write I didn't? 3: I have all the original drivers here, but my job is to give the customers the best, most transient & uniform sound, so why would I fit them? 4: People with floods seems to agree that the bms driver sounds better. As for what I can read about the formidable testing peoples opinion is that the system performed much better than the new linearrays they were compared to, they did a big A/B INSIDE A CLUB: http://www.formidableaudio.com/back-on-the-a-stage-for-further-flashlight-optimisation-in-shoot-out-against-l-acoustics-and-db-line-arrays-2/ 5: Turbosound and funktion one has always improved the drivers they were using, you still get new driver versions & phaseplugs for the Funktion ones. The tsw-218 started with a pd driver then went on to another pd, then b&c. What is this: "His apoplectic defence of his modification is a reoccurring theme on the forum." This is silly, I don't need to defence making the best possible sound, and you can't stop me:-) I have well-documentet testing behind this, what do you have apart from some religion? People come up with arguments like a 4" driver won't work up to 250 hz, but it does in the tms-3, the xtro, the aspect and many more. You seem to be preaching a religion with no common sense, it does not appear to be about good sound or even being interested in what's going on in a turbosound cabinet, but a purely dogmatic religion. Edited by tv00 - 27 September 2016 at 1:21pm |
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You seem to be mistaking the term 'original' for 'that one particular model'.
Any driver that belongs in those boxes is original, once you get into era and combinations you can start to argue that you might have an original driver or set of drivers that is not original for the particular box you want to put it in (notably the boxes that had to be modified to accept the wider PD chassis). Just because a design gets revised doesn't make the new driver unoriginal, it's a legitimate and documented revision to the design, regardless of changes in performance. I've heard a number of trusted opinions saying that the original CD-101 sounded very good, the only problem was that in order for it to keep up with the 10" it would destroy its self and not sound particularly nice doing so, ultimately reducing the useable output from the entire box. From what I've heard about EV and JBL loaded cabs across the pond, it was a project that was rapidly abandoned and that a lot of the cabinets floating around like that now are either copies, which were quite prolific over there or cabinets that have been loaded with the EV/JBL drivers at a later date as they were significantly cheaper in the states than recones or replacement drivers. IIRC the huge TMS system that Styx toured was all UK loaded The TMS series boxes have never sounded as good passive as they do active although to say they sound terrible with the prior revision to the X-over isn't entirely true, that's just subjective opinion. They just sound better with latest revision. |
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