B&C buy out Eighteen Sound

MarjanM wrote: Most of the steel here comes from Ukraine, they are fucked up badly too, so i guess we kinda take advantage of that. What is odd is that we have one of the biggest steel mill manufacturing all sort of sheet metal. All goes for export so we import cheaply from Ukraine. Sometimes things dont really follow any logic.

I can see why B&C want to look more closely at other products because if raw materials are on the increase all you can do is make things smaller and efficient take a look @ this coming in at over 2K Phantom Gold its suppose to rival a small PA system Titanium tweeter etc





Edited by djkeet - 09 October 2017 at 1:31pm

The raw material increases are mainly having an effect on profitability. Similar games play out across all industries.

Nobody wants to put their prices up and be uncompetitive, but keeping your prices too low for too long can mean youre not making any money. Somethings gotta give somewhere, even if its just a few percent increase.

Ever heard these? They are very impressive for their size, the bass is extremily powerfull.

108dB peak SPL. You would need 4 of these per side to rival a small PA system. 2 per side if you're stretching the definition somewhat.

Nice deep bass in a small box but it's all about the amp power. Huge amp and low efficiency high excursion low resonant frequency low Vas bass drivers, probably with an enormous neo magnet assembly. It's a luxury engineered product with a specific performance target.

I'm not saying the engineering behind it isn't clever, but don't expect B&C to be taking pointers from it any time soon. In terms of enclosure material efficiency it does an excellent job - huge deep bass in a tiny package - but it's driver and amp material efficiency (particularly for PA applications) are abysmal.

Technically it might seem a device like this has broken Hoffman's Iron Law (low bass, loud and small - pick two), but 108dB is not really very loud, and anyway a device that breaks the iron law is subject to another law - the 'it's gonna need a massively oversized amp and driver' law.

It would be interesting to see the bass driver in this.

Edit: As I suspecected. Look at the size of that magnet relative to the enclosure..and it's neo! And there's two of them!

Closed box with a load of EQ isn't it?



Just to illustrate what I mean, here's a generic closed box sim:



See the rolloff starts at 60Hz but it's only 20dB down at 14Hz. That's the principle of the Phantom in a nutshell. 2 drivers with 90dB efficiency plus 4000 watts is 129dB. Probably unprocessed the reality is closer to 123-125dB, so the -3dB point with the peak SPL set to 108dB is 14Hz.

Again I don't mean to downplay the engineering involved - they've clearly pushed the limits of what's possible, just not in a way that the PA world will find useful.

Edited by Hemisphere - 13 November 2017 at 10:20am

lol how much are they paying you? Rival a small PA system

Actually not my words Hemisphere but their's they're prob useful for a dance class or house party Since the start of the post we have been enlightened on the buy out. Thanks for the detailed construction pics/measurements

Edited by djkeet - 21 November 2017 at 1:54pm