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Originally posted by SouthwestCNC SouthwestCNC wrote:

I thought the point of a mid kick with high range was to be part of a 4 or even 3 way system, less comb filtering, closer to point source. In an ideal world one way.. how nice that would sound. 


For Reggae purists, the main point of Mid/Kick bin, is realistic reproduction of kick drum, and  warm, throaty low mid vocals/mic section.


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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by SouthwestCNC SouthwestCNC wrote:

I thought the point of a mid kick with high range was to be part of a 4 or even 3 way system, less comb filtering, closer to point source. In an ideal world one way.. how nice that would sound. 


For Reggae purists, the main point of Mid/Kick bin, is realistic reproduction of kick drum, and  warm, throaty low mid vocals/mic section.




Drums are important. But what good are warm drums if the vocalist sounds like he has a sock in his mouth
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Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

This is shameless thread derailing but the kick drum tuning trends vary by era and genre.

What it means in lay terms is that if one was to engineer an accurate kick bin for dance music in 2017 the design would be obsolete in, say, 10 years.

Then again, 10 years ago that same cab would've been considered a curiosity or used for a different purpose.


What should also be of consideration, is the possibility of extending kick cab's usable range, with drivers with custom recones, or regarding drivers with 15"/18" cones, picking those with lighter cone, lower mms (IIRC).

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Heard a lot of the reggae guys are now using FIR, that to me says that reggae sound is definitively evolving. 

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Originally posted by SouthwestCNC SouthwestCNC wrote:

Heard a lot of the reggae guys are now using FIR, that to me says that reggae sound is definitively evolving. 

FIR means ?
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But notice FIR is only a "tool" to get things right.
One would be, to get an ideaal phase response, and from that a good impuls-response.

But there are drawbacks of course. Using FIR for low frequenties can induce allot of latency.
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Originally posted by smitske96 smitske96 wrote:

But notice FIR is only a "tool" to get things right.
One would be, to get an ideaal phase response, and from that a good impuls-response.

But there are drawbacks of course. Using FIR for low frequenties can induce allot of latency.

That interesting about fir in the low frequencies didnt know that Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by SouthwestCNC SouthwestCNC wrote:

Originally posted by smitske96 smitske96 wrote:

But notice FIR is only a "tool" to get things right.
One would be, to get an ideaal phase response, and from that a good impuls-response.

But there are drawbacks of course. Using FIR for low frequenties can induce allot of latency.


That interesting about fir in the low frequencies didnt know that Thumbs Up


A lot is an understatement - below 400Hz you start talking seconds, not milliseconds!

Also FIR is a tricky beast, your changes can affect dispersion, tonality, off axis response, all sorts. Easy to make it 'look' great in one position but often it sounds like turd doing that. If you look into it properly, you'll find most of the work done in FIR for manufacturers is 'vanishing point' style crossover filters, a tiny bit of phase correction (which can most often be achieved just fine with IIR), and inter-box array tuning such as beam steering - think d&b arrayprocessing, MLA, K Array, so on.
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Quote A lot is an understatement - below 400Hz you start talking seconds, not milliseconds!

Also FIR is a tricky beast, your changes can affect dispersion, tonality, off axis response, all sorts. Easy to make it 'look' great in one position but often it sounds like turd doing that. If you look into it properly, you'll find most of the work done in FIR for manufacturers is 'vanishing point' style crossover filters, a tiny bit of phase correction (which can most often be achieved just fine with IIR), and inter-box array tuning such as beam steering - think d&b arrayprocessing, MLA, K Array, so on.
In addition, try reading some of Dave Gunness's articles or watch his videos - very informative. I must admit, I wasn't aware of the huge latency at the low end using FIR processing until I read this.
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