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how many F121 do you need "enough" for this space?










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About 20? Depends what you define as 'enough'
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chest pounding way back to foh position around 30-35 meters

area is 60m wide by 80 long.


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8 a side on FFa10`s

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I agree with Phil, 60x80 is a big space and 16 x 21" in total with the right amp should give a very good result. 60m is very wide so you need a lot of top boxes to get proper hf/hm coverage.

The f121 has a very useful wide operational frequency range and can can be used 20Hz-125Hz no problem, with  the right power amp they also can produce massive and exceptional sound. We have 12 of our own and the single driver version is easy to transport and load in. The F221 is very large and I would say only suited to companies whom use Trucks or articulated trailers.

As stated above the driver is manufactured by PD and has a new  chassis designed and tooled by Funktion One (as a side note I believe Toby at Funktion One designed the original 50p precision devices chassis which has has been used for many years now). This chassis is also now used for 'standard' PD 21" neo drivers. The driver has evolved since first being used 2yrs ago as there where a few early mechanical failures so the suspension and surround have been strengthened. The voice coil assembley can take a lot of power and at times last summer ours where tested to the max.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowflake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2009 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Sound4hirecouk Sound4hirecouk wrote:

Originally posted by SteveAATW SteveAATW wrote:

Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:

Originally posted by SteveAATW SteveAATW wrote:

The driver is PD oem


Is the new generation not an exclusive fk1 design transducer.



It is but I believe its basic origin is the PD neo 21" which then got pimped by the farm.

They are stupidly nice bass bins though, just a pity about the size/cost for us mere 218 using mortals Dead


The PD21 is Tony Andrews-Turbo design which was re-used for the F221. The chasis on the early F121 & F221 is the old flood and flashlight 21 with a Neo magnet. The Chasis has since been re tooled with a Funktion-One tool at great cost to Funktion-One. A picture of the tool is available to see on the website, under Misc pictures. So, its a F1 driver, Neo magnet and dual voice coil.

The F121/F221 is the most Musically sounding Bass bin availabe on the market-in my opinion.


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i doubt very much that a bandpass horn is the most musically sounding bin available. terrible phase response is unavoidable in a bph design. and 40Hz cutoff isn't great either. they are efficient and play high but for their size they don't go that low or sound that great. Phil
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maybe terrible phase response is what the people dig....see scoops for example :)

with audio 'right' is impossible in my book, however there are some types of wrong i quite like
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yeah, read through and agree the 21's are lovely sounding. F1 has a good nact at taking large cones and making them sound very musical (res 1.5 for example).
 
i will agree with rich on his above comment. There is no right in this industry, its all down to personal preference.
 
also, theres no such thing as a 'perfect' speaker. Everything has its uses. I dont like hearing horns in small <150 type venues, i have always had smoother warmer and generally better results with reflex/bandpass type cabs. Then theres cases of discreet installation, or people wanted pretty 'arcitectual' speakers (like voids airsys), people needing really compact rigs, etc etc....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowflake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2009 at 3:45pm
a speaker should reproduce the input signal delivered by the amp. what it sounds like subjectively is the most important thing but it has been established that certain measurable things corelate to how good it sounds to the ear - level response, power compression, phase response, impulse response etc. i agree some speaker distortion sounds okay for some music but if you want loads of harmonic distortion  then change the input signal.

btw are there any measurements online of any fk1 bass speakers?

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Hi Phil (snowflake) If you don't mind me requesting - What is your preferred or favorite bass enclosure design that is commercially available?

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It's all about the F221!!!!! Heard these at boom festival, 2 stacks with 4 a side, with 10 res 5's a side and 2 delay stacks with 3 a side, with 3 res 5's a side. Never heard bass like it not bone shaking but f**king earth shaking bass absolutely unbeleivable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rich, ind.st Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2009 at 8:35pm
my point is that NO speaker can faithfully reproduce the input signal to the amp, or rather/ideally the source signal. in that sense every driver/cab/system available is a compromise.

you could go out and buy 10 top end systems and each will have its own signature sound. i personally have found fk1 to be one of the systems that comes close to my perception of what sounds good, regardless of how it measures.

bp horns have phase issues, bass reflex has group delay, horns get honky, scoops....meh, you get the idea, arguably for the past 20 years with the drive to make cabs smaller, availability of hugely more powerfull amps and spacky processing sound has generally taken a back seat over things like convenience.

fk1 is one of the companies that has taken a more oldschool aproach and benefits from it in my opinion.

   
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