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NevilleT ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2022 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Hi All,
I want to make a sub that will fit under my bench in my garage workshop. I have some fixed design points: The enclosure will be made of 18mm birch ply and needs to have the following external dims: 695 mm width 450mm high 350mm deep The driver I intend to use is a JBL 15" M252-8 (specs below) I plan to use a Behringer Ultradrive Pro controller and a Thomann T-Amp S100 which can be configured in bridge mode if required. I have no particular preference on whether the enclosure is closed or vented - but if vented, then something I can make in the workshop like an oblong 'tube'. So I'd like some suggestions on the enclosure type/bracing/filling/etc. Many thanks in advance Nev
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Elliot Thompson ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 April 2004 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 4982 |
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That is a very small box for a driver offering the above TS Parameters. Reflex would be your best option. As for Bracing, this box is already too small for the driver in question. The last thing you want to do is lose even more internal space with bracing. Damping will tone down the standing waves which will be very helpful as the box will ring like a bell due to using a driver with the above TS Parameters in such a small enclosure.
Best Regards,
Edited by Elliot Thompson - 05 May 2022 at 1:54pm |
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NevilleT ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2022 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Many thanks for your help.
So a smaller driver then? a "12 or maybe a "10? Ringing like a bell is not what I want.. |
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Yes. The smaller the driver, the greater the chances of the driver seeing the fixed cabinet dimensions as a larger enclosure. The TS Parameters will still play a factor of course! That JBL would give you a -3 dB around 54 Hz - 59 Hz in such an enclosure.
Best Regards,
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NevilleT ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2022 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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I also have this 12" driver kicking around.. So would this be better?
Eminence Beta 12CX Nominal Basket Diameter 12", 304.8mm Nominal Impedance* 8 ohms Power Rating: Watts 250W, Music Program 500W Resonance 47Hz Usable Frequency Range 57Hz - 4.6kHz Sensitivity*** 97.3B Magnet Weight 38 oz. Gap Height 0.31", 7.92mm Voice Coil Diameter 2", 50.8mm Thiele & Small Parameters: Resonant Frequency (fs) 47Hz DC Resistance (Re) 5.42 ohms Coil Inductance (Le) 0.64mH Mechanical Q (Qms) 5.64 Electromagnetic Q (Qes) 0.52 Total Q (Qts) 0.48 Compliance Equivalent Volume (Vas) 120.94 liters / 4.27 cu.ft. Peak Diaphragm Displacement Volume (Vd) 188.6cc Mechanical Compliance of Suspension (Cms) 0.3mm/N BL Product (BL) 10.79 T-M Diaphragm Mass Inc. Airload (MMs) 38 grams Efficiency Bandwidth Product (EBP) 90 Maximum Linear Excursion (Xmax) 3.5mm Surface Area of Cone (Sd) 538.9 cm2 Maximum Mechanical Limit (Xlim) 10.4mm Mounting Information: Recommended Enclosure Volume: Sealed 26.9-70.79 liters / 0.95-2.5 cu.ft., Vented 32.85-158.58 liters / 1.16-5.6 cu.ft. Driver Volume Displaced 0.071 cu.ft. / 2 liters Overall Diameter 12.03", 305.6mm Baffle Hole Diameter 11.07", 281.2mm Front Sealing Gasket Fitted as standard Rear Sealing Gasket Fitted as standard Mounting Holes Diameter 0.25", 6.4mm Mounting Holes B.C.D. 11.59", 294.3mm Depth 4.47", 113.5mm Net Weight 7.8 lbs, 3.54 kg Shipping Weight 10 lbs, 4.54 kgs
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The standing waves are reduced and, you should be around -3 dB @ 49.6 Hz. It is a coaxial speaker so it is aimed for Full-range (using a screw-on compression driver) usage. What else do you have?
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NevilleT ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2022 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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I tend to screw old drivers to the roof of my workshop and there is a motley collection...
I have some very old 12" Fane & McKenzie drivers from guitar amps i'm guessing wouldn't great for a sub. I also have some dual concentric 6"? Tannoy drivers from some DC2000 HiFi speakers. These cabinets had two drivers. The bass ones had a surround that perished. The top speakers were dual concentric and those are still viable. Helpfully there are no usefull markings on them so I have no idea what the specs would be. |
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Hi Neville! Welcome to Speakerplans! I'm trying to think if I have anything knocking around which might work in such a cab. I might have a 12" which I was saving for a bass guitar project but enough years have passed that I probably won't ever get round to it!
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NevilleT ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2022 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Hi Chris! We need to talk! Drop round for a coffee.
Please email at nevillet01@gmail.com |
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I had some of those M252-8 drivers many years ago in some JBL I745 dual reflex cabs. They sounded awful. I tried them in some other bass cabs and they also sounded very poor. I suspect drivers with a very low BL like those are better suited to bass/mid than sub duties, even though the I745 had annoying NL8 sockets and were marked "VLF" for their connection!
Edited by Lucasdude - 06 May 2022 at 5:28pm |
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