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    Posted: 09 August 2020 at 9:40am
I am looking for a generator to power my amplifiers and decks for small outdoor events in the future that are capable of putting in a van and that will be powerful enough to have around 8 - 10   240v sockets powered by it

Can anyone recommend any or post any links to ones please .

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Okay, 8 - 10 sockets it pretty vague, 10 x 13 amp sockets is 130 amps so you’re looking at quite a big set there, you’d struggle to get the in and out of a van. 

Generators are measured in output power in Kva. This is basically a total of the maximum power draw of all the things you going to plug in to it plus a good amount of headroom. However, if you have 6k of rig it will never pull 6k and can be run on less although many will advise against. Don’t even entertain the idea of a petrol set. Diesel generators are much more stable and the idea of filling a HOT petrol set half way through a gig whilst slightly drunk is a recipe for a trip to the burns unit.

To really help we need to know what’s actually going to be plugged in and we can take it from there.
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Originally posted by monkeypuzzle monkeypuzzle wrote:

Okay, 8 - 10 sockets it pretty vague, 10 x 13 amp sockets is 130 amps so you’re looking at quite a big set there, you’d struggle to get the in and out of a van. 

Generators are measured in output power in Kva. This is basically a total of the maximum power draw of all the things you going to plug in to it plus a good amount of headroom. However, if you have 6k of rig it will never pull 6k and can be run on less although many will advise against. Don’t even entertain the idea of a petrol set. Diesel generators are much more stable and the idea of filling a HOT petrol set half way through a gig whilst slightly drunk is a recipe for a trip to the burns unit.

To really help we need to know what’s actually going to be plugged in and we can take it from there.


Hi, thanks for quick response, so the things that will be plugged in 

2 x pioneer CDJ2000Nexus Decks 
1 x Pioneer DJM900Nexus Mixer

2 x  amplifiers (for bass & mid tops)
1 x amplifier crossover 

2 x active DJ monitor speakers

4 x eurolite 12led bar (lighting) 

12 sockets total

I am guessing that I will need to plug these in via two adapters then into the generator 
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I am guessing it would also need to be a ' silent generator ' 


something like this? although its quite heavy and a little big for transporting myself in the van, I only have a small ford transit connect van so ideally need a smaller generator 

What do you suggest 
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I would not use a small avr generatpr like this with simple voltage regulator , but look for one with inverter for the delicate and expensive electronics you have there.
I think a honda eu7000 would fit well if budget allows. Small stable and quiet.

If you don't need to squeeze the amplifiers a 3000 should be enough, but we don't know your amps and speakers.
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Originally posted by jordanclarkdj jordanclarkdj wrote:

so the things that will be plugged in 

2 x pioneer CDJ2000Nexus Decks 
1 x Pioneer DJM900Nexus Mixer

2 x  amplifiers (for bass & mid tops)
1 x amplifier crossover 

2 x active DJ monitor speakers

4 x eurolite 12led bar (lighting) 

12 sockets total

I am guessing that I will need to plug these in via two adapters then into the generator 

That isn't anywhere close to 8-10 230v sockets worth of equipment.. might only be 1. What are the amplifiers and active speakers in question?

The rule of thumb for this is to add up the continuous power requirements of all small signal electronics and lighting.. which won't be much, and add the rated output of all amplifiers and powered speakers and get a generator capable of delivering that continuously..  not peak. And even at that there is a bit of headroom baked in as the examples below demonstrate.

A couple examples I have run. 
1. A pair of 1000w powered speakers(Yamaha DXR15), 4x 1m LED bars, small desktop mixer, Wireless mic, DJ console(DDJ SX) and laptop from a 2000w inverter generator.

2.  2x  215+2 plus 2x 218 passive speakers, 6000w amp rack with LMS, desktop mixer, wireless mic, DDJ SZ, 2 laptops all on a 5500w commercial gasoline generator(non inverter) for a parade float, only a couple hours run time so refueling not a concern.


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Originally posted by jordanclarkdj jordanclarkdj wrote:

Originally posted by monkeypuzzle monkeypuzzle wrote:

Okay, 8 - 10 sockets it pretty vague, 10 x 13 amp sockets is 130 amps so you’re looking at quite a big set there, you’d struggle to get the in and out of a van. 

Generators are measured in output power in Kva. This is basically a total of the maximum power draw of all the things you going to plug in to it plus a good amount of headroom. However, if you have 6k of rig it will never pull 6k and can be run on less although many will advise against. Don’t even entertain the idea of a petrol set. Diesel generators are much more stable and the idea of filling a HOT petrol set half way through a gig whilst slightly drunk is a recipe for a trip to the burns unit.

To really help we need to know what’s actually going to be plugged in and we can take it from there.


Hi, thanks for quick response, so the things that will be plugged in 

2 x pioneer CDJ2000Nexus Decks 
1 x Pioneer DJM900Nexus Mixer

2 x  amplifiers (for bass & mid tops)
1 x amplifier crossover 

2 x active DJ monitor speakers

4 x eurolite 12led bar (lighting) 

12 sockets total

I am guessing that I will need to plug these in via two adapters then into the generator 



Ok - the desks, lighting and crossover are really irrelevant. You could power those off a small petrol Honda, etc.

What draws the power are the amplifiers - and those could be 200W, or 20,000W, so you really need to give us more information, ie makes and models.


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Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by jordanclarkdj jordanclarkdj wrote:

so the things that will be plugged in 

2 x pioneer CDJ2000Nexus Decks 
1 x Pioneer DJM900Nexus Mixer

2 x  amplifiers (for bass & mid tops)
1 x amplifier crossover 

2 x active DJ monitor speakers

4 x eurolite 12led bar (lighting) 

12 sockets total

I am guessing that I will need to plug these in via two adapters then into the generator 

That isn't anywhere close to 8-10 230v sockets worth of equipment.. might only be 1. What are the amplifiers and active speakers in question?

The rule of thumb for this is to add up the continuous power requirements of all small signal electronics and lighting.. which won't be much, and add the rated output of all amplifiers and powered speakers and get a generator capable of delivering that continuously..  not peak. And even at that there is a bit of headroom baked in as the examples below demonstrate.

A couple examples I have run. 
1. A pair of 1000w powered speakers(Yamaha DXR15), 4x 1m LED bars, small desktop mixer, Wireless mic, DJ console(DDJ SX) and laptop from a 2000w inverter generator.

2.  2x  215+2 plus 2x 218 passive speakers, 6000w amp rack with LMS, desktop mixer, wireless mic, DDJ SZ, 2 laptops all on a 5500w commercial gasoline generator(non inverter) for a parade float, only a couple hours run time so refueling not a concern.

so the amplifiers I have are

Behringer EP4000 (2 channel mixer )
Behringer KM1700 (2 channel mixer ) 

The active DJ monitors are a cheap make from Ebay called ' KAM ' they are 15inch and im sure only around 800watt 
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Someone said to me 

6.5 KVA with a built in regulator is what i needed?
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a little 6kva 'wheel barrow' diesel set will power your system no problem. Can get a reputable used one for £600-1000.
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Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

a little 6kva 'wheel barrow' diesel set will power your system no problem. Can get a reputable used one for £600-1000.

Can you post a photo of how they look or even any links to ones that would do the job. Thank you :) 
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Originally posted by jordanclarkdj jordanclarkdj wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

a little 6kva 'wheel barrow' diesel set will power your system no problem. Can get a reputable used one for £600-1000.

Can you post a photo of how they look or even any links to ones that would do the job. Thank you :) 



something like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-silent-diesel-generator-6kva-yanmar-110-240v/293629406686?hash=item445dad2dde%3Ag%3AcyQAAOSwOyNeut1N&LH_ItemCondition=3000

easy enough to move around on your own, long as your van has a ramp to roll up/down.

Avoid Kipor brand, cheap knockoff of real brands, alright for occasional use but nothing to rely on, very unreliable.


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