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Maze
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Topic: Mixing subs (Reflex)Posted: 31 December 2025 at 2:43pm |
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I'm looking for some advice... I have 4x double 18" reflex subs that I'm pretty happy with. However I have been playing with the idea of adding two more to make it 6 in total. If I can't buy more of the same subs I already have, can I get away with adding double 18's of a different brand or get some build? How would I best intergrate them with my current subs, and what to look out for in terms of specs etc?
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Posted: 31 December 2025 at 3:56pm |
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Different "raw" reflex subs will (generally) sum ok - as long as no (passive) xover included. A xover will add some phase shift. And obviously not powered. Just check they all move in/out withe same polarity - and use your ears.
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levyte357-
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Posted: 31 December 2025 at 4:43pm |
Take a cab to a local speaker builder, and ask them to copy it. In your region, I'm sure this will not be difficult.
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Posted: 01 January 2026 at 3:46am |
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You want the exact same box and drivers for maximum gains, everything else results in something less than what it could be.
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Maze
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Posted: 01 January 2026 at 5:31am |
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@levyte357 Haha, more trouble than you'd think. @Conanski Ah man, I was hoping not to have to pay full price for new ones, also, might not be able to get them as the company has changed ownership, and might have made changes anyway in designs and components used. @Earplug Cool, I think I'll try and rent some boxes on my next outing to see if I can make it work. |
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Posted: 01 January 2026 at 11:38am |
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I agree with earplug. Simple reflex subs will usually sum OK if the drivers are in the same plane and if wired in the same polarity. The port tuning may be different, so it might not be perfect, but probably close enough.
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Posted: 02 January 2026 at 11:34am |
The question is how much less? If the speakers match and sum coherently,increasing the cabinet count from 4 to 6 will result in a maximum additional 3.5dB level. Even with identical cabinets, due to the fact that the drive units can't occupy the same physical space the summation will already be less than optimal. If different cabinets are used, there is a possibility that the frequency amplitude response might be different form the originals. Thus the summation will be different across the frequency range. If the new cabinets put out more acoustic power with the same electrical power input as your existing cabinets the combined output may be more than 3.5dB, but on the flip side it could be less. As earplug alluded to, different cabinets also might have different phase characteristics. Doing random simulations, in winisd, with different drive units and cabinet designs, the phase response never exceeded 40 degrees. Summing two identical sources, with a 40 degree phase shift results in pretty good summation. This can be simulated in a DAW using a couple of sine waves. So, whilst I agree with madboffin, and earplug, that similarish cabinets will work together, there are some practical considerations. If your existing cabinets operate down to 30Hz, and the new cabinets operate down to 40Hz, running them with the same high pass on the dsp may cause over excursion of the drive units in the new cabinets. Even with the same transfer function (low signal frequency response) different drivers can excursion limit at different amplitudes. This can be mitigated by running the new speakers at a lower level (with their own amplifier), with their own dsp settings, or raising the high pass filter on the existing dsp. Unfortunately doing any of the above will lead to less additional output than you may have anticipated. As I mentioned above, on the flip side it could be better. Without details of the drive units and cabinet design, there is no way of predicting. If you were building your own cabinets, all the above could be calculated in advance, but as I assume that you are buying commercially made cabinets, that is not possible. Self powered cabinets would get round the problem. The final consideration is the physical size of different cabinets. Will they integrate in to your existing system. Renting some cabinets and testing, should answer some of these questions. |
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Earplug
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Posted: 02 January 2026 at 12:52pm |
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Yes, it's definitely a compromise - and as hinted to, also a question of budget!! I don't think that the "perfect" system exists. Some are better than others, but ultimately all a compromise. A question of taste, aesthetics - & as I say, budget. Not everyone can afford to spend thousands on what really is just hobby. And - very importantly - our ears are actually very tolerant of the small phase & frequency difference when summing cabs. |
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Posted: 02 January 2026 at 12:59pm |
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@fudge22 Thanks for the detailed answer. Just to give a little more info, I do plan to buy an additional amp to run the extra two subs. My typical setup is subs left and right with tops on top. My plan for the extra subs is to place them right in the middle between the two other stacks. I'd like a bit more bass down the middle where the crowd typically gathers.
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