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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote njw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2025 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by Line Array Line Array wrote:




you know when i look back at old speaker designs from like the 70s and how dumb they were i start to get this feeling that 50 years from now today's designs will look equally dumb and i begin to question whether anybody really knows what they're doing or it only seems that way because nobody knows better ...






  Have things really changed that much? It's still just bits of cardboard flapping around in a box..
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Originally posted by JonB67 JonB67 wrote:


I'd like to hear it. 



  

 Me too, I bet it sounds superb when within it's limits, just like any half decent hi-fi really. However, I wonder if it would sound a bit too mellow/laid back? It'd probably be fine for house music but might not be 'in yer face' enough for hard trance/techno?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Line Array Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2025 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by njw njw wrote:

Have things really changed that much? It's still just bits of cardboard flapping around in a box..

most of the overly-creative designs that didn't work got shaken out

DIYers still build them, and some 3rd rate manufacturers do as well

but industry leaders like JBL have cleaned up their lineups to remove the nonsense 

JBL understands that simplicity doesn't require justification but complexity does 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Earplug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2025 at 8:49am
The biggest advance in the last 50 years or so has been in the electronics behind the systems, i.e. xovers, DSP's and SMAART, etc., that has made the analysis & alignment side so much better. A speaker stuck in a box is just a speaker stuck in a box. No big mystery there. Some of the big companies, like JBL, EV, etc. did try some stuff that didn't work & had to drop those designs, but some of their classic systems still work.

The EV MT4 system still sounds great today, just like some of the Martin, ASS, EAW, Meyer, d&B, etc. stuff from 30/40/50 years ago.



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When I think back to the early seventies when I started touring, the only control that was available on large systems was being in phase or out of phase and there used to be some right cock ups at times when people could not understand the best way to either run or wire up a rig---what did not help back then was the JBL idea to wire all components out of phase and engineers could not cope with having to wire black to red and red to black and when mixing horn loaded boxes with direct radiating boxes--HO HO HO HO.
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Quote will never buy anything from them ever again.

I’m sure their stock value has just plummeted LOL

If this is the system that recently (last few years) went out with Linea Research up its arse and Andy Wardle piloting it, I’ve not heard a bad word said about it from anyone that understands it as an exercise in “because we can” as opposed to as an attempt to break into the Live PA market.

As I understand it, most of the criticisms about it when the article came out were largely due to pilot error on the part of the guy that was supposed to be tech-ing it. Some very basic “my first point source” type boo-boos.


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