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mattd
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Posted: 13 April 2025 at 4:54am |
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Returning to this post, where I received great help, since posting it I have used quad systems with really great success maybe 8-10 times indoors and out for up to 750 people. Brilliant set up! (no delays, bass one way, opposite zones as suggested, in this thread).
I have been asked to start using it for a new reincarnation of this event space that is maybe 16x30m. I have been using delays in here so far (heavy sound restrictions apply) but they are in the way really, quad system would be ideal for dance in here. My question is, is the 30M too much for a quad type of set up? Should I start to run the bass both ways I assume? Or it would be 30 meters behind the stage on arrival at the back side of the room! Sorry to keep asking new questions, but the info from here has been so great. Any feedback would be great.
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brokenjoe
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Posted: 15 April 2025 at 7:02am |
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quad ideally wants to be square room
i personally would do delays in a 30m room, not quad, unless your'e happy to not cover the back of the room this also depends on the systems used. |
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Racks&Stacks
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Posted: 16 April 2025 at 12:29am |
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in an elongated room, I would add additional fill speakers along the lengths, aimed across from each other, and using both delay and gain shading until you can't hear a difference as you walk the floor. The fills (arrays or not) should have wide (more than 90 degrees horizontal) coverage if just using one pair, less if using multiple pairs, depending on extent of room elongation.
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mattd
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Posted: 16 April 2025 at 6:58am |
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Cheers I was kind if expecting this reply , answers my question nicely and rules out the quad.
Good to know. Yeah the dealys I am.using work well they are just a tad in the way once they are barriered off. Thanks all
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Posted: 18 April 2025 at 2:49pm |
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I tend to run 4 identical setups, subs time delayed, LR switched on rears, and tops phase inverted.
Seems to work well for me.
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Posted: 19 April 2025 at 9:35pm |
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I've not heard a switched stereo setup sound good. Too much of the middle sounds like a mess to me, offseting any improvement of allowing a stereo field any direction dancers face.
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Posted: 21 April 2025 at 1:45am |
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OK this is interesting, certainly different to what I have been using. Ill have a play about pre gig one day and see. I use 4x identical stacks with no phase flip, and I run the back stacks at 80hz up only. But I typically do an area 15x15m. It seems to work OK with bass both ways, but i run it one way, and just add a little on the stage end and seems fine. Maybe your method is better for large setups?
So you face them inwards and delay them too? I have used no delay at all
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Posted: 21 April 2025 at 11:24pm |
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My tops are aimed to the middle, subs dont seem to care. I'm usually doing 14m square.
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Posted: 24 April 2025 at 10:12am |
You're not the average member of the audience though Sometimes you need to take off the anorak and listen with the ear of a pisht punter!9/10 they *like* the aural assault you get stood in the exact middle because "it feels mega!" or some other colloquial phrase. The middle is also a very small % of the dance floor, the most off-their-trolley members of the audience are likely to be in that space anyway. At the end of the day, X-Quad is usually used when containment is a greater priority than sound quality. As far as the common compromises that are available for dealing with that, it's often the easiest and provides the most effective results. Edited by RoadRunnersDust - 24 April 2025 at 10:18am |
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Posted: 24 April 2025 at 10:22am |
Time delayed to what? You can only delay multiple sources to a fixed point and within the quad you will be making other areas significantly worse to achieve better results at that one point. You'll also be knackering the natural outside cancellation you can get from the subs being in the corners (if you've got the quad sized conveniently). |
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