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Originally posted by colint colint wrote:

Really nice amp's the DC300. Had a mate a few years back with one on his hi-fi with the matching pre-amp on a pair of quad electrostatics sound wonderful with the classic music he used to play on it.
I remember listening to a pair of Amcron's (Crown's) ES212s (IIRC) in REW in central London many years ago. They were an electrostatic top end with 2x12" woofers - sounded beautiful, rather like Quad electrostatics with balls - driven by DC300s, I think. Unfortunately, the DC300s were a bit temperamental and could take down every protection device known to man when they blew (which was quite often!). Wouldn't like to see several thousand pounds worth of speakers go simply because the amp threw a hissy fit.


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For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants.
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One interesting thing I found. I had had my crowns for a good few years before I got on to the Rave scene. My first rack contained a pair of 300's. On the first night of using them, they cut out and I thought all was lost. Then they come back on again, and I realized that they contained thermal cutouts. Larger Harrison amps followed this episode and the crowns were shifted higher up the scale.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jbl_man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2012 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Sheggy Sheggy wrote:

The series 2 are supposed to have better o/p protection iirc. They seem a very solid design but the only down side is the need to rack them with fans if you' want to get that 300W per chan at 4R. That's interesting though JBL, I thought they were basically the same amp?

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According to the Crown PDF file on the specs,even these later ones still dont have any DC protection/relays for the speakers,so Crown advise fitting an in-line fuse in the speaker leads....as Trevor says above,it would be a shame to fry several thousands pounds worth of hifi speakers with one.
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I used DC300s on bass duties for years, sometimes full range. Whereas mine always ran lukewarm they destroyed more of my bass and mid drivers than anything else before or since. They seemed to delight in going DC as often as possible, often due to failure of a small signal transistor here and there, we always bought Crown replacements from the proper UK agents but every now and again one or two cabs would fall silent mid gig. We donated them to some big churches in the Ukraine about twelve years ago after using in my hifi for twelve years before that (where they were totally reliable). Loved 'em when I got them but I honestly feel they are off the pace now in terms of definition and accuracy. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sheggy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2012 at 7:50pm
@ Oldskool - this is interesting stuff. I'm new to the DC300A IIs because I only came across them a few years ago, prior to that I saw them in studios running old monitors (can remember but the big Urei's or Westlakes I think) and on these they sounded awesome.

So I bought some and heard via the web that they had a rep for "going DC" and taking out drivers - thing is that I thought this was mostly in reference to the first series and the II had better protection. The manual still talks about o/p fuses and protecting inputs with simple RC filters but I've never done this, should I be more careful? I haven't lost a driver but then I haven't ragged them either.

Second point you make, and it's good to hear, is that their not even that good sonically. To me with my limited experience they sound fantastic but I would swap them for something with twice the power that sounded better. I'm hooked on Class AB for mid and top though. What would go for? Been tempted by MC2 and Crest but can any lightweights compare to these on MTs?

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Well guess i was lucky, I never took out any drivers with my Dc300 II's & ran them for years & years on mid tops both playing dub reggae sound system & standard sound hires, bands & Dj's... literally 100's of gigs & like i say NEVER missed a beat once, guess i was lucky,  mine where super reliable & sounded superb.
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Many years back (1980?) had a DC300a back from repair, first gig used it for a monitor and the monitor went up in flames (yes I do mean real fire), chap whose prize JBL speaker was in the box was gutted.
They were not called DC for no reason!!!
Incidentally that same gig had a pair of CP Mega speakers to try, I cannot remember the model but think they had 3 x 12" and horn.


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Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

 We donated them to some big churches in the Ukraine about twelve years ago after using in my hifi for twelve years before that (where they were totally reliable). Loved 'em when I got them but I honestly feel they are off the pace now in terms of definition and accuracy. 
I find it really strange that the amps seemed so reliable off the road yet so unreliable on the road. Studios used them for years without problems and so did domestic customers - yet take then out for a few gigs and they went DC and fried the drivers. Obviously a good electronic design but badly manufactured  - my mate who has the D150/IC150 is an industrial designer who could probably explain why they destroyed drivers the way they did.
For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants.
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Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by oldskool oldskool wrote:

 We donated them to some big churches in the Ukraine about twelve years ago after using in my hifi for twelve years before that (where they were totally reliable). Loved 'em when I got them but I honestly feel they are off the pace now in terms of definition and accuracy. 
I find it really strange that the amps seemed so reliable off the road yet so unreliable on the road. Studios used them for years without problems and so did domestic customers - yet take then out for a few gigs and they went DC and fried the drivers. Obviously a good electronic design but badly manufactured  - my mate who has the D150/IC150 is an industrial designer who could probably explain why they destroyed drivers the way they did.

I'll save him the trouble, in the home and studio they didn't get the arse thrashed out of them after being slung in and out of a transit.
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To answer Sheggy's query I was using my last DC 300 for hi fi (which came out of a recording studio when I first got it) and then got a couple of used Chameleon 2200s in for a church install. I took the Chameleons home to listen to them and they just revealed so much more of what was being played. The Crown sounded smooth but to my ears was just smoothing everything out too much in my system using KEF Reference speakers at the time. It was such a shock how much better the chameleons actually sounded that I ended up listening to lots of amplifiers and bought a huge Musical Fidelity NuVista amp in the end. Funnily enough the Chameleons went into a church mobile rig and to my knowledge are still working ten years later despite the shocking build quality!! As always so much is down to system matching, I have Quad Electrostatics as well in my 2nd hifi system and could imagine the Crown amps sounding much better through those.  I am putting together a very high quality smallish rig for my daughters band and hope to get away with 100% tannoy drivers,  would like to use MC2 amps for that if possible. I have some Bose 1800 series 2 that I keep for running 2 inch comps where the old class AB Bipolar smoothness works wonders. The Crowns can and do sound very nice it's just that in my own comparisons with more recent designs a lot of detail just disappeared from the mix.

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One thing to remember is that the DC300 and the DC300A are different designs, the DC300 uses discreet components whereas the DC300A uses a now really rather rare op amp. Neither design had DC protection circuitry though, it may be that missing that out has made them more reliable in a strange sort of way..
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Apart from the thermal cutout, mine have never gone wrong apart from once, when a fuzzy noise appeared. Greenwich Audio, who were the Crown service agents at the time, told me what to go and buy, (a resistor,) and instructed me over the phone, it was easy.
Regarding sound, I've never thought the sound was anything other than good, especially when I started to demo My Aura 4T's with them, although the amps don't have to work too hard with the frequency band because there are four of them that are used actively. I was encouraged to use them, because I was aware that Crown was a big name domestically in the States.
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