Repairing split in a woofer |
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charlysays
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Posted: 15 January 2018 at 3:28pm |
I've acquired a JBL SP212A as spares or repair off ebay. It actually all works, but it looks like the cab has inadvertently been plugged into a sub channel as the woofer has a 180 degree circumferential split in it near the first few ribs outwards from the dust cap.
No VC rub, speaker sounds fine. I forget the driver name but the cone is made out of the same fibre reinfoced pulp as the 2226 and 2241 etc and has the same ribbing etc. Its been badly glued from the outside only with superglue by the seller I imagine and it's not holding up too well. I don't really have anything to loose attempting a repair on it. Any tips on what glue and what reinforcement to use? My gut instinct is PVA and 2-3 layers of tissue paper either side, maybe sand any areas which have been contaminated with superglue. Probably only going to use it as a monitor from 80hz and up. If it falls apart I'll just recone it. |
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Try clean off the superglue and then use roll-up paper and some water-based paint. The paint makes a perfect glue as it soaks into the paper and cone.
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ceharden
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PVA and tissue paper would certainly be an improvement over superglue. You can apply it from both sides for strength if necessary.
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Agree with ceharden
ive got a Goodmans 18in which had repair with pva and newspaper tbh, still going and thats from the 1970s super glue worst glue tha could of used, goes to brittle, ok on some parts of a driver
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JonB67
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If you can beg steal or borrow some from a builder mate then sbr (styrene butyl rubber) would be perfect. More flexible and not water soluble once dry.
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charlysays
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Just used neat? I definitely had some somewhere in a 5l tin which I used on some rendering repairs. Will it soak into the paper as well as PVA? PVA wise I was going to use some no nonsense wood adhesive as it is "water resistant". Thanks all for the tips. Should be pretty straightforward and work fine afterwards.
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nuclearbass
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J cloth or part surround from another driver and blue Aran do a ruberised glue, not listed on there site or didn’t used to be, message andy Kos on here
Once repaired a v18 in an x1 and it stood up fine to the job. |
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Its thinner than pva straight from the bottle and surprisingly tenacious stuff. You can thin it with water if you like but i suspect that neat would be fine. Dab a small bit on and see?
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charlysays
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Not the dust cap adhesive? Rubberised cyanoacrylate? I've already got some of that for fitting a new dust cap to another JBL driver. Good idea with the J cloth, much more fibrous and strong. J cloth and waterproof PVA be an upgrade over the tissue paper.
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TonyASS always used to suggest "Weldbond" for this job. I believe it's basically PVA but stronger and more flexible.
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+1 on the Weldbond.
Use rice paper (think Zig-Zag) rather than tissue paper. |
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charlysays
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Cheers for the replies guys... I bought a small tube of weldbond and stole some rizlas off my brothers bedroom floor (floor is literally covered with rizlas).
I scraped as much super glue off as I could without making the damage worse and sanded the bits of the cone which had soaked up super glue. Ran a bead of weldbond into the split itself then laminated up 4 layers of fag paper on each side, applying watered down weldbond between layers. Speaker seems absolutely fine and the repair is very solid. For mid top work I doubt it'll ever cause an issue. I have discovered that the damage was actually caused by the grill having been stove in. The design of these SP21* speakers is such that the grill can be totally stove in onto the woofer. The woofer then hits the grill until it splits at the weakest point which seems to be near the first rib out from the dust cap- the front gasket is noticeably compressed and even has the pattern from the grill embossed onto it. I've straightened the grill out, will have to keep and eye on this to stop it happening again.
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