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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

18NDXL Looks rather similar to this though, unless Imperium is US name..




Which is little above my pay grade... LOL



I like the terms bit. 10% deposit, 12 payments. HP on something as breakable as an 18 sub driver.  BraveShocked
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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

15 xb sad. But who builds 15's for bottom end? I've got some and like them, but that's for normal day to day music or old house. (15's not XB 15's specifically)
 It must be very difficult to just manufacture drivers now. New blood not generally as DIY and used to throwaway world. If not doing OEM like Emmi must be very hard.
Add to this the fact that a 140 quid PAudio actually does a great job in reflex, it just gets harder.


Faital, Beyma, BMS and B&C seem to be doing ok... as for ‘OEM’ you’d be very surprised how many drivers are just rebadged off the shelf units. Even in big boy toys. The d&b new large format line array uses totally standard B&C parts throughout.
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Yeah B&C always find their way, seen them in Martin, D&B, Logic....
Beyma in Ecler, Mach
Faital have the Car stuff
Not Fane though, seems more for the enthusiast unless I've missed something?

Edit:  Orbit, just remembered
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Faital are in a huge range of pro speakers, not just car stuff.

Maybe Fane is more for the enthusiast because their products are either not good enough or they cannot hit the volume/price point that a manufacturer wants.
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Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.
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Originally posted by Tonskulus Tonskulus wrote:

Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.


From 1st time I saw T/S parms for Prime XS, I said publicly, straight away. not good for Scoops/Horn loading at high power levels.

Certain distributor's "pet", came on here, saying how great it would be in reflex, and Scoops as well..

Then after few months, people were commenting on here, how quickly XS were dropping dead in Scoops, and money wasted..

Think Shakira released a pop record called, "My TS parms don't lie.."

LOL


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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Tonskulus Tonskulus wrote:

Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.


From 1st time I saw T/S parms for Prime XS, I said publicly, straight away. not good for Scoops/Horn loading at high power levels.

Certain distributor's "pet", came on here, saying how great it would be in reflex, and Scoops as well..

Then after few months, people were commenting on here, how quickly XS were dropping dead in Scoops, and money wasted..

Think Shakira released a pop record called, "My TS parms don't lie.."

LOL

that's the way it is. 
However I will give another change to Prime XS.. don't know what but possibly 4th order BP would be pretty much ideal. I'm too tired to standard ported enclosures :D 

Different horn sub designs are very popular, so manufacturers should deal with that.  Why did Fane even call some of their drivers as horn compatible?  More strange is that, as example, 18XB is not listed as "scoop/horn driver" even tho its much much better than Prime XS there.

Wake up, Fane! :D
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Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Yeah B&C always find their way, seen them in Martin, D&B, Logic....
Beyma in Ecler, Mach
Faital have the Car stuff
Not Fane though, seems more for the enthusiast unless I've missed something?

Edit:  Orbit, just remembered


Those with decades of experience will know FANE. The newer sound man may not due a lack of marketing. FANE loudspeakers are rarely if ever found in the United States. Considering the company had some means of product available 30 years ago, it is surprising to see the only FANE speakers for sale abroad are on the used market.

 

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It looks silly that ferrite right. That's the lowest BL (and highest Qts) I've seen for an 18" pro driver
indeed, just what sort of box would it suit?
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Tonskulus Tonskulus wrote:

Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.


From 1st time I saw T/S parms for Prime XS, I said publicly, straight away. not good for Scoops/Horn loading at high power levels.

Certain distributor's "pet", came on here, saying how great it would be in reflex, and Scoops as well..

Then after few months, people were commenting on here, how quickly XS were dropping dead in Scoops, and money wasted..

Think Shakira released a pop record called, "My TS parms don't lie.."

LOL

Hope you’re not talking about me! LOL XS were always reflex drivers. I think someone else was trumpeting them as scoop drivers, I believe he also manufactures/ed cabinets too.

Fane... British owned, British location, but manufactured in China. So the idea is you have products on the market in this country and Europe to bolster your position in Asia. Then you sell China made British products to the Asian market at low prices but with little Union Flag stickers on them and the very British and traditional Fane name badge. 
The UK factory and presence is kind of a front, looks good and stuff, but the reality is you could run Fane from an office above a betting shop in your local High Street and ship the products straight to your distributor from China then collect the £’s. The only technicality is PD, so the front is complete - you have British made speakers in your portfolio too funded by the China operation.
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Originally posted by PauliePaul PauliePaul wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Tonskulus Tonskulus wrote:

Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.


From 1st time I saw T/S parms for Prime XS, I said publicly, straight away. not good for Scoops/Horn loading at high power levels.

Certain distributor's "pet", came on here, saying how great it would be in reflex, and Scoops as well..

Then after few months, people were commenting on here, how quickly XS were dropping dead in Scoops, and money wasted..

Think Shakira released a pop record called, "My TS parms don't lie.."

LOL

Hope you’re not talking about me! LOL XS were always reflex drivers. I think someone else was trumpeting them as scoop drivers, I believe he also manufactures/ed cabinets too.

Fane... British owned, British location, but manufactured in China. So the idea is you have products on the market in this country and Europe to bolster your position in Asia. Then you sell China made British products to the Asian market at low prices but with little Union Flag stickers on them and the very British and traditional Fane name badge. 
The UK factory and presence is kind of a front, looks good and stuff, but the reality is you could run Fane from an office above a betting shop in your local High Street and ship the products straight to your distributor from China then collect the £’s. The only technicality is PD, so the front is complete - you have British made speakers in your portfolio too funded by the China operation.




Fane also do a lot of R&D which needs proper facilities, a case in point is there newish tri cone full range drivers which have some of best software in them of any large full range driver ever made, the Colossus 12MB is a lovely sounding driver that uses UK manufactured software, the new Imperium uses newly developed chassis, and I would guess also uses UK manufactured Meuller cones. Driver manufacture may have gone to China but has not been at the detriment to assembly quality which is top notch.
I would prefer see them move production to China which appears to be well supervised than risk  rhem going down the pan.
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Originally posted by fatfreddiescat fatfreddiescat wrote:

Originally posted by PauliePaul PauliePaul wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by Tonskulus Tonskulus wrote:

Imperium XL (ferrite) reminds me Colossus prime xs18.  They say it works in horns/scoops but not quite.. even tho it moved lots of air in hog scoop, it started flapping and "farting" badly at higher power levels.  

So we moved back to Colossus SB18 which is actually pretty nice sounding scoop driver and gives a lot more SPL than Prime18. 

Prime XS has however nice xmax, power handling etc, so there might be right place for it - but horn or scoop it is not.


From 1st time I saw T/S parms for Prime XS, I said publicly, straight away. not good for Scoops/Horn loading at high power levels.

Certain distributor's "pet", came on here, saying how great it would be in reflex, and Scoops as well..

Then after few months, people were commenting on here, how quickly XS were dropping dead in Scoops, and money wasted..

Think Shakira released a pop record called, "My TS parms don't lie.."

LOL

Hope you’re not talking about me! LOL XS were always reflex drivers. I think someone else was trumpeting them as scoop drivers, I believe he also manufactures/ed cabinets too.

Fane... British owned, British location, but manufactured in China. So the idea is you have products on the market in this country and Europe to bolster your position in Asia. Then you sell China made British products to the Asian market at low prices but with little Union Flag stickers on them and the very British and traditional Fane name badge. 
The UK factory and presence is kind of a front, looks good and stuff, but the reality is you could run Fane from an office above a betting shop in your local High Street and ship the products straight to your distributor from China then collect the £’s. The only technicality is PD, so the front is complete - you have British made speakers in your portfolio too funded by the China operation.




Fane also do a lot of R&D which needs proper facilities, a case in point is there newish tri cone full range drivers which have some of best software in them of any large full range driver ever made, the Colossus 12MB is a lovely sounding driver that uses UK manufactured software, the new Imperium uses newly developed chassis, and I would guess also uses UK manufactured Meuller cones. Driver manufacture may have gone to China but has not been at the detriment to assembly quality which is top notch.
I would prefer see them move production to China which appears to be well supervised than risk  rhem going down the pan.

You’ll probably find all the R&D etc is done by Mark in China, who also oversees the production and QC. The UKM cones are shipped out there for some of the drivers, but not all.
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