Should I worry? Mains cables |
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BJtheDJ
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Nope I remember it well. No Aga in our basement flat (they'd call it a garden flat now) in Ealing back in the late 40s/early 50s - gas stove in the kitchen. Mum had an electirc iron that was plugged into the light socket via. a two-way bayonet socket. Remember when my Dad brought home a SWITCHED two-way with a dangling cord so that the light could be turned off when ironing. Damn! I'm old. Real candles on the Christmas tree. The amazement when we got Christmas tree lights that turned off and on and produced a quiet bang through the radio every time (bi-metallic strip I suppose)
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ceharden
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Although a BS1363 plug is fused at 13A, it's well known that you can draw more than that, especially short duration 'music' peaks and when running medium sized systems in venues without proper power supplies that can happen.
Obviously if I'm going to be running any distance I would normally go 13A-16A, 16A extensions on 2.5mmsq then back down again. But there is a small part of me that thinks that if it's 2.5mmsq (probably double for a ring) in the wall, 2.5mm on my long cables, why am I putting a bit of 1.5mm in the middle just to do the 13A-16A bit. Most of my 13A extensions/adaptors are 1.5mm but I do have a few made out of 2.5mm and I don't really see an issue with using them... I'm all for having standards, I work with enough of them in the day job for much more demanding environments. Unfortunately though it's usually the people who don't know or don't care that deviate from them, whereas the people who do understand will follow them, despite often being able to design something which is equally safe/effective but is not exactly to the rules. |
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4D
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Back in the day I always preferred this type of plug for 14awg Edited by 4D - 20 July 2019 at 11:05am |
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Digbethdave
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Use a duraplug or permaplug and 2.5 fits. Personally would just use 1.5 with ferrules. Don't forget to flip the cord grip over if using 2.5.
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MattStolton
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Couple of fun anomalies for you then. UK Shaver Socket Outlet is limited to 200mA. UK Shaver 2 pin plug has 5.1mm diameter pins. (As per old "5A" round pin style BS372 plug!) 2 pin Europlug, rated to 2.5A, has 4mm diameter pins. All the other CEE7/X types are all 4.8mm diameter pins, and designed for up to 16A radial socket outlets, one hopes on a B curve! However, the mains connector I find the most ridiculous is the Japanese Class 1, "JIS C 8303", where the earth for your appliance is separate to the line/neutral, and bonds to the outlets earth, like a DJ mixer/Turntable earth. So American style 2 pin plug goes into live/neutral outlet on wall, and then you have to bond the earth onto a separate screw terminal. Can't see any problem with that for your washing machine! Admittedly only 100V, but 50Hz or 60Hz depending which grid serves your property! Nuts. I reckon, by comparison, that makes a Bulgin 8 Pin plug and socket look safe! |
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njw
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Still got some Bulgin leads on the shelf in the garage, male to male of course.....
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godathunder
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yeah, m-f was only for extension leads although I do recall owning some short f-f leads to allow almost endless chains of m-m leads and here we are worrying about 2.5mm in a 1363 plugtop
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ceharden
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Of course the amount you can draw from a 13A socket goes down massively when it's a 'hotel ballroom' one which has long ago lost all spring in the mating surfaces and only makes contact when you gaffa it in a particular position!
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djgorey
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Ahh! I see you’ve played there too!
My favourite is “hi DJ. There’s your socket” ummm can I have at least one more please? “It was good enough for the DJ last week and he had some massive speakers. Red, they were”
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RoadRunnersDust
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Probably because of that glorious bit of text that stipulates use of 1.5mm^2 max in BS1363 plugs? |
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