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adambomb
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There must be atleast, oh I dunno, seven differences. |
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a1olsen
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Hi Rog and all,
the HD15 is quite different inside to the Turbosound TSE115 not to mention flarerate. The original Turbo Design even employed a 'broken'/sectioned flare as supposed to the nice rounded design of the HD15. Kind regards a1olsen |
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a1olsen
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Hi Roger,
no worries - the HD15 Design is quite different to the original Turbo Bass patented principle. If in doubt then it should be possible to look up the patent (which is quite wide and covering, by the by) on the patent office.org? site somewhere. I remember a drawing where the flare is basically composed of 2 at an angle joined pieces around the baffle. The very original Bass concept from Tony and John, before it became a more commercial entity as TurboSound, with the help of Alan Wick, was the Pyramid bin, which I think saw it's 1st outing at the start of the Glastonbury festival and of course contemporary with the pyramid stage... Tony is a very spirited person as can possibly be be comprehended... The TurboBass principle came around later after a lot of experimentation. I think there's an AES paper describing some of the Turbo inheritance/history and in there is sketched out some of the various phases they went through, before arriving at their Patent application. The patent is no longer vigorously protected and is well outside it's exclusivity stage, but they did, in the early days, use to go around with a chainsaw and court order! I think it happened to some of the 1st EAW boxes under much publicity of course and as far as I remember, but I also think that due to a violation of the TurboMid patent as well... That TurboMid Patent actually belongs to/was applied by Tim Issacs and was supposedly inspired by a rolling pin on Tim's kitchen table during a meeting with Tony... Same state and current efforts (or lack of) goes for this patent as well. Hope this info to be more or less accurate with the best regards Former Senior TurboSound R&D Engineer, roughly 1992-5 Sven R. Olsen (aka 'Dr' O aka a1olsen aka a1greatdane etc.) PS: UPS - just discovered I seem to repeat myself a bit from the previous post... Still with best good hearted intentions though... Edited by a1olsen - 26 October 2009 at 12:33pm |
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dj-panoramix
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do you have a link pleaz ?
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a1olsen
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Hi dj-panoramix,
I'm afraid I have no direct link, but you should be able to find it at the AES website somewhere in their anthology collections of old papers. This might cost a fee however, that's how the 'poor' AES organization try to finance some of their activities U C... I shall 'have a dig in my extended hard-copy archive and C, if I have something there, but pls. do not expect this to happen like lightning.. I think I might have to find some alpine and other protective gear .. Regards a1greatdane |
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dj-panoramix
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ok i found only 2 paper on aes library, one on the flash system and the other one is "A Short History of the Experience and Reasoning Behind the Turbosound Cluster System", but as you said you have to pay to see them...
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a1olsen
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Dear dj-panoramix,
it's the cluster one U want... 'Dr' O |
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dj-panoramix
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need an aes account or pay 20 dollars... anybody have an account there ?
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musicman
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there is even more copys on ebay, from a company called class d m15 i think there called or something!
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a1olsen
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Hi musicman,
it's a bit of the good old saying: 'U R never gonna get ahead by using other people's footsteps'... I try to make my offerings very difficult to match by Hand brewing the transducers matched to the box and thereby performance, meaning (almost as best as possible), anything else will necessary be of a lesser entity... It's after all a bit limited how much You can vary the parameters for a given say bass bin concept. I'm quite confident Rog applies the same principle(s) and so to most other competent designers. I'm personally not that concerned about the copiers any more, since I know the above applies and try to take it as a compliment, but it would be nicely appreciated, if 'people' at least cared to ask not to mention arranging a possible potential licence fee, before copying. With a licence they would most certainly be able to get a better product out as well and the fee's is not 'gonna kill anybody'... Cheers 'Dr' O aka Sven R. Olsen Creator CSW-Chilli Sound Works London N4 Edited by a1olsen - 30 October 2009 at 10:19am |
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