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ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.

It is an awesome effect when used moderately in a well ventilated venue, and very refreshing when the 40degree dancefloor plumets 20degrees in a second - like stepping into a freezer!!
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Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.


"Someone" eh ginge Wink


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CO2 is a heavy gas so sinks in air, if you stand under it that is all you will be breathing.  Too much will kill you, even if you are a plant.
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Originally posted by Chris M Chris M wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

ive been in a club where they bought them in for the night, didnt have suitable ventilation whatsoever, and ended up becoming so dangerous (points where it was a struggle for breath) someone secretly called in the fire&licencing officer who straight away condemned the building for the night and had it evacuated.


"Someone" eh ginge Wink


hah wasnt me, the persons identity is private due to relationships with the venue!

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Ya can find an install in amnesia (ibiza) and cocoon (frankfurt/main), if ya want to buy it, and have the pennys needed, here is the manufacturer from the cocoon-install:

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Who the fu&k is Mr. Phanton, and why he has so much power!?
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Pirlo, those are liquid nitrogen, not CO2..
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The topic was " Smoke-Machine in Kevin and Perry Go large", isn´t!?
According to this, they use a system like shown in the link before - easy as that!

Quote What is Cryo-Fog?

The term “cryo” means very cold temperature. To produce fog, normal liquified gases are used. Instead of normal glycolbased fog (“Disco-Fog”), Cryo-Fog visualizes only the humidity of the air. This is the same effect, like opening the bathrooms´ window in winter and fog comes in or, as another example, like breathing out “clouds” in cold air. Since Cryo-Fog doesn’t bring in any humidity into the room-air, there is no condensity on walls or floors.

The colder the gas and the dampier the air of the location is, the more fog you can create. When the air gets warmer, the fog disappears immediatly.

Which liquified gases can I use?

You can use all non-toxic, non-flammable liquified gases for cryo-effects. The colder the gas, the better the fog. Liquid Helium seems to be perfect because of its temperature of –269°C, but it is very expensive. The best cost-efficiency has Liquid Nitrogen (called LIN or LN2, -196°C), Liquid Carbondioxyd (called LCO, -78°C, or Dry-Ice) and Liquid Air (called LAX, -186 °C).


Liquid Nitrogen
Pro: Huge pure white clouds of fog possible, good cost-efficiency, good disposability, non-toxic, no-smell, even in high quantities no harm since air contains nitrogen
Contra: higher material effort, not suitable for small-locations

CO2
Pro: less material effort to build system, good disposability
Contra: Much less fog than LIN since the higher temperature of only –78°C than –196°C of LIN, fog makes tired, in higher concentration toxic, use of gas-cylinders expensive and can only last for 35seconds per cylinder, fog smells fust, fog only greywhite, Dry-Ice Fog is always wet

Synthetic Air
Pro: can be used in small venues, On-Site-Production
Contra: through condensation of Liquid Oxygen raised fire-protection needed, On-Site-Production starts at € 100.000.-, bad disposability for mobil-services, needs very high standards of material


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Who the fu&k is Mr. Phanton, and why he has so much power!?
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See using Liquid nitrogen if it starved the club of oxygen like an earlier poster suggested with the c02 would it give the same effect as taking one of them there hippy crack balloons?
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Nope, Nitrogen isn't nitrous oxide. Though while Nitrogen isn't as toxic as CO2, its not going to do you much good if you breath nothing else..

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We fitted a system in a club down here for NYE... 2 x solenoid valve heads with hook clamps on, and a firing box, with heavy duty hoses running to BIG co2 bottles (like the 5ft high o2 bottles used in oxy acetylene welding gear). You only got about 30 seconds of continuous jets from the bottles before they were done, so only used for quick 3-4 second bursts - we used a couple to 'test' them before the club was open! Amnesia must have a massive tank full of the stuff and empty it daily to get that effect, but i can tell you its very welcome in there - was bloody busy when i visited! Eden out there also have a system.

Great effect but overused it's dangerous and a bit much, loses its effectiveness. I remember reading that Amnesia need a certain type of ventilation / fan / ducting arrangement to get rid of it all quick and reventilate the room.
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