More Punishers or Swap to SBH? |
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citizensc
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So that would be 1 for the SBH then? Size isnt an issue for me, I already move double punishers around. I don't really see the punishers hitting similar spl as a win because they require more amps to do it.
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rosssss224
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go sbh or forever wonder "what if?"
just my thoughts
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Timebomb
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If SPL and extension are you main targets and you use big piles of them then yeah, build a lot of big 18" horns, or 2 x 12" horns. The main difference between the 2 is the SBH is tuned lower, longer path length, more cab volume required, more mouth area required to work well, if that extra size is not an issue for you then go for it. With the longer path length you need a larger mouth to support it so 4 x punishers will work better than 2 sbh as the shorter path on the punisher means less mouth area required to get close to the optimum horn .
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toastyghost
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Look at the distance between boxes to make a functional array. Also, I've measured the box, the -6dB points are not at all consistent across frequency bands – in fact, the isobars for the Xtro, if they were ever done, would be pretty horrific. As an example, it's not identical but the Stable Audio XT8-alike horn measured as 120 degrees at its upper cutoff, and down to some 180+ degrees at the lower end. Edited by toastyghost - 13 December 2016 at 5:25pm |
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citizensc
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Yeah I will agree that its not 60 degrees across its full bandwidth. We originally crossed ours at 3.6k but the beaming at the top end was a real issue so that dropped to 3k. We are going to be switching over to the mk3 which mykey claims have less beaming at the top end. If i'm honest I don't have much of an idea of whats happening at the bottom end of the xt8. Is it hard to take accurate measurements of the -6db points? I have an ecm8000. Do I need an acoustically treated space? If its not too difficult I might take some measurements of the mk2 and the mk3 and post the results. I'm sure some people will be interested.
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Dutchman
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Xtro is 60x40 dispersion. Go for 12 punishers and 4 xtro's, this is a perfect system for 1000 people at good volume. The punishers really attack and boom but don't drop too low. You really won't get below 40hz. But that is not a bad thing. They sound really fast due to their 12" driver! Much faster than an 18" driver ever will be.
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We need more SPL!
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citizensc
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Iv read this a lot of times but how true is this in reality? Its the kind of thing that makes sense in your head but iv never heard of someone actually testing it. Does the much higher BL and and much lower qts of a v18-1000 make up for it being an 18? Iv heard that the f221 is faster and tighter sounding than the f218 which totally goes against that idea. The problem for me is I live in Perth. I cant go out and listen to an SBH system. I have to go off other peoples opinions and hope they are not talking out of their ass. Can anyone who has heard both the SBH and the Punisher comment on this?
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JEB88
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I've owned SBH's before and heard punishers plenty of times and I would go for the SBH out of the 2, here's my pros/cons:
SBH Pro's Drop lower Sound better Drivers readily available SBH Con's Size/weight Punisher Pro's Light and managable Punisher con's Don't go as low Don't sound as good Ciare driver doesn't seem to be available anymore (in the uk anyway) |
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empiresoundsystem
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Personally having heard both, I don't rate SBH all that much.
Puns offer a tighter response and just sound more punchy, plus they're not a massive box to have to hump about. |
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Dutchman
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You should use Beyma 12lx60 V2 in punishers , better than ciare and more common. They are also lower wattage , so less amps.
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We need more SPL!
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citizensc
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Grey is Beyma, Black is 12.00sw, 800 watt per driver in a block of 4 punishers. I think im going to stick with the 12.00sw as its a lot flatter and the 12.00sw is built like a tank. I also already own 8 12.00sw. Also thanks for the video you PMed me although its not easy to get much information from it. It doesn't tell me much about physicality and tightness which are things I really care about. |
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Timebomb
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Beyma gives a more rounded warm sound and will play a bit higher than the Ciare. Im not convinced the cone will hold up though, and it had much shorter xmax so wont deliver the same spl down low as the Ciare. It has slightly better sensitivity higher up and slightly less lower down, measured response is similar to that simulation but black being the Beyma and grey the Ciare. Personally i would stick with the Ciare.
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