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    Posted: 12 July 2017 at 1:37pm


Hmm in this age of zillion gigabyte media files my box of 4.7 gb dvd's just don't cut it


Is there a reliable permanent storage solution other than Terra Byte hard drives  ? 

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Bluray discs... that's 50gb/disc

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What about USB sticks? 
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External disk-based hard drives configured in a RAID array (for resiliency rather than performance) is probably the best bet unless you have real "power user" needs.
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CDs/DVDs/BluRay will degrade over time, they're far from permanent.

Your best bet is a SLA backed cloud service like BackBlaze. Although one backup is not a backup, it should be in at least three separate places.

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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

CDs/DVDs/BluRay will degrade over time, they're far from permanent.

Your best bet is a SLA backed cloud service like BackBlaze. Although one backup is not a backup, it should be in at least three separate places.

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Back up
Back up
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I tend to have a external hdd, some sort of cloud back up and then something like cd/dvd/bluray.

When it comes to data redundancy is never a joke...
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I agree completely. Especially when it's something important to you. Most of us learn the hard way unfortunatly.

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As mentioned before, backup to 3 separate places/devices and also note what software/version etc was used. Most, though not all backup software (especially those with lots of compression) is backward compatible - sometimes a new version of software comes out that is completely different in the way it works to previous generations. I come from an IT background and we used tape backups of our mainframe systems kept for 7 years for audit purposes. Apart from the degradation of the tapes themselves (ask any old studio owner about this) we realised that the data was completely useless after a couple of years of storage since no-one had logged the software versions (of the operating system, not the backup software) and if the data had needed to be recovered it would have been an expensive trip to the manufacturers for them to sort out the problems. 
The American National Archive came across the problems of archiving stuff many years ago - it formulated a plan to have at least 3 different backup media types in use (where practical) - in those days this was optical disk, hard disk drive & tape (+film/microfiche where pertinent). All these media have differing life expectancies and failings and the archives undergo a constant re-write process to ensure  the data is secure for the future. 
As suggested earlier, RAID HDDs + cloud + DVD/BluRay would seem a logical way for Joe Public to do things - because of cost implications I personall don't use RAID simply stand alone HDDs (a friend of ours was burgled some years back and the b****rds took all of her & her partners computers/laptops and their backup drives containing all of their photos/art work going back to college days and all totally irreplaceable).

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It really depends how much data you have and how much is critical.

A Hotmail account get you a "onedrive" space of 5GB, a 365 email subscription takes this to a Terrabyte (maybe more) but this is pretty solid storage, keep your Sage account file here, by all means.

If you want fast, nearside storage a block of 16 2TB 7200 RPM HDDs can be had of ebay for £800, with iscsi/FC/SAS attach to your PC, set this up as R6+HS and you have a massive space that is fairly secure, I'd have a UPS in here pretty quick, but still cheap and safe.

if you can put up with slower performance 2x 10TB SATA HDDs in R1 off your Mainboard will work, but understand if you buy 2 drives at the same time, they may fail at the same time and a Raid rebuild with 10TB residents may take days...

If performance is not an issue a Synology (or Qnap, etc) NAS maybe a very good option..

Ultimately if you don't pay for Symantec or equiv AV (Yes AVG, Avast, McAfffrreee etc are just crap) you have good chance of getting hit with a cryto and and any online backup is trashed.

A FC attached device with an argos time switch to come up and back up is fairly solid..



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