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service dept Steve
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Posted: 08 December 2011 at 9:37am |
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They are designed to work as "dynamic resistors", that is to say they show one resistance cold and a much higher one when hot. The problem comes when the "hot" resistance still isn't enough to overcome an overload, using 2 or more in series will help assuming that the hf still sounds ok with the effect of the "cold" resistance.
Some systems use proper light bulbs, these would typically be 12v 22w brake light bulbs or 20w halogens, a 24v 22w would offer higher resistance whereas a 12v 50w halogen would offer lower resistance without decreasing the lamp life. |
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Posted: 14 December 2011 at 9:43am |
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so if one wanted to put a fuse/bulb just before a comp to act as protection which fuse would be used?
would there be different fuses for diff watt intake? |
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Art Welter
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Posted: 16 December 2011 at 3:06am |
The value of a fuse/lamp/bulb is dependent on the impedance curve and power rating of the driver used, crossover frequency and design, and is only going to provide about a 3 dB reduction in power when lit. If the "fuse" handles too little voltage, it will pop on peaks that the driver could handle. If it handles too much voltage, the result is like the OP's picture. The OP's driver shattered the diaphragm before the voice coil burnt up. It would have started to sound terrible at a much lower volume than needed to cause the destruction. Edited by Art Welter - 16 December 2011 at 3:07am |
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wayward91
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Posted: 18 December 2011 at 9:10pm |
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i have some hk crossovers/speakers with a 18w 24v bulb on them . when its removed the horn is reduced in volume by a fair bit. im yet to discover if they work as a fuse.
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Posted: 18 December 2011 at 9:29pm |
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At the end of the day a bulb limiter is better than nothing, if it's sized such that it doesn't cause a nuisance anyway! I had a pair of nearly-new HiSys2 brought to me by a very glum chap who said they'd set up at a gig and the mics on stage had been allowed to squeal for 2 seconds during the sound check and the horns had popped before they could dive for the mixer. I examined them and the horns were fine, it was the lamps blown. 2 lamps later and he was a happy chappy.
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shagnasty
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Posted: 18 December 2011 at 11:32pm |
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Gotta say here, the lamp PTC limiter does work to a point, but if you've let the input signal clip you could have a waveform so loaded with harmonics the driver can never hope to re-produce the thing is gonna cook and die anyways....
They do help, my main experience of these is the Turbo TXD-530 (FK-88 is very similar) and I have replaced a lot of lamps but never a slot tweeter.....
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Posted: 21 December 2011 at 6:18pm |
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i f i remember correct didnt peavey used to use a 2 way x over with a lamp type limiter fitted in them. sure they used to fit the same in the rcf/mackie pro touring rigs to.
Made me laugh that the customer in the ralier post thought it was some form of sound to light show. oh my dayz lol pmsl. honest. great stuff
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Posted: 21 December 2011 at 9:09pm |
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The EV drivers with the 1-1/4" coils usually use a 0.5A PTC to protect them in their factory crossovers.
The Speaker Exchange crossover shows a pair of 211-2 lamps in parallel, way too much current. One 211-2 would be more appropriate. The #1141 looks to be a better choice. #211-2 I^2=1 works well with 8Ω drivers with 1" coils #1141 I^2=2 works well with 8Ω drivers with 1-1/4" ~ 1-1/2"coils #1156 I^2=4 works well with 8Ω drivers with 1-3/4" ~ 2"coils Edited by _djk_ - 22 December 2011 at 10:02am |
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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 12:01pm |
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I've blown my lamps in my Wharfedale Lix Monitors a few times while ringing the system out. VERY annoying but atleast its only the lamp that blows!!! I now make sure I have plenty of lamps and my soldering iron at the ready.....hasn't happened for some time now but happened this summer at two consequitive gigs and had to adapt (bodge) some lamps out of the van.
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Hi, I am not much of sound geek, need help, I have sound used in gig, passive Custom speakers 350w RMS 2 way, HF of 40w RMS, my crossover network don't have light fuse( bulb), hence had blown coils many times, need info. of the follow:
1). Could automotive bulb of 12v ....? W...amps? Do, if yes specify amps and watts Also what is the calculation for above bulb type??. 2). Would DC protection circuit work for safe guarding speakers??? 3). Read a post here for halogen bulb in series, how would one use it? Voltage? watts? Thanks for all help rendered. |
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