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Help me design a mid top speaker for my system |
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DiegoALM ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 03 September 2023 Location: Almeria Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I have built two tham12 loaded with the box 12-280 8 w and I have two tpa3256 amplifiers and a 36V battery as well as a mini DSP and an adau1701 from wondon.
My tweeter is a Selenium D220ti and an H6512 waveguide, the problem is that I only have two Lavoce WSN102.00 8ohm tp use as mids. and I don't know how to use them to reach the SPL of the Tham and the tweeter because I don't want to spend more money on drivers. I also have 15mm plywood. I know i can put the two midranges in vertical in the same box but i have read that using more than one midrange causes a lot of dispersion problems, can you think of any way I can do it? a V-shaped box or a mid-horn?
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fudge22 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 26 July 2022 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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Yes, multiple drive units covering the same frequency range
will interact with each other, which can cause the response to change as your
position relative to the speakers changes. Unless you can achieve the desired output
with a single drive unit there is not much you can do. Your main problem is not so much the 10” drive units, but the
compression driver and horn. The horn/waveguide, is fairly small, and the drive
unit has a recommended crossover of 1.6KHz. For better results, the crossover
should be no more than about 1KHz or even lower (which your drive unit can't manage). I would stick with just a simple enclosure similar to the
X10 shown on this site. Obviously, you will need to retune the cabinet for your
particular 10” drive units, but they will at least give some useful output up
to the crossover frequency. Unless the journey is the destination; i.e. the design and
building is what you are into, I would not recommend using angled baffles or
horn loading. The raw response is not good, and requires processing to get a
flat response. Also, the output drops off significantly above 1KHz so you would
need to be crossing over to the compression driver at no higher than 800Hz –
900Hz, preferably lower. |
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DiegoALM ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 03 September 2023 Location: Almeria Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Thanks for the help. Do you know of any compression motor for PA that can go lower and is not very expensive?
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fudge22 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 26 July 2022 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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The X10 design specifies the Paudio 740N. I think the N stands
for neodymium. The same driver is available with a ceramic magnet (BM 740),
which is about as cheap as it goes. Presumably a reasonable number of people
must have used them to be able to give an opinion. I’ve got some of the
original BM 750 drive units, which are basically the same but with a 2” throat
as opposed to 1.4”; I cross them over at 900Hz @ 24dB/oct. For the price they
work well (My comparison is with B&C, RCF and Faital Pro drive units). I
use custom built horns, but a quick check on the internet would suggest there
is a greater choice of horns for 1.4” drive units than 2” so probably the way
to go. My experience with commercially available horns is limited,
but go with one that is close to the width of your front baffle, which will be
around 30cm with 10” drive units. Stay away from the narrow letterbox style
mouths and get as close to a square as you can. If you are restricted on the
overall height of the cabinet that might restrict things a bit, as could be
availability where you live. Before going out and spending more money, try the
compression drivers/horns that you have. If you have an upgrade path in mind just
design the front baffle (and cabinet depth) to accommodate the new horns if you do change them. |
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snowflake ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 29 December 2004 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 3097 |
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look at 1.4" drivers. eg FaitalPro HF146
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fudge22 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 26 July 2022 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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The Faital Pro are undoubtedly fine drive units, and are my
current personal choice, but the HF146 is twice the price of the Paudio driver.
I suppose it depends on what you consider not very expensive. In my opinion the
Paudio are better value for money. If DiegoALM has limited funds, I would still recommend building
a system using the components at hand. The decision to upgrade, if necessary,
can be made later. |
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