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    Posted: 22 October 2004 at 12:44pm

Hello my good friends,

Can you buy a passive Hi Pass filter? When i have a show to do in a small venue, sometimes 1 short horn gives me enough (sometimes too much) bass. The problem is, that if you dont use them in big stacks as Dom does, the driver will unload with any signals below about 50hz. The bigger systems all have processors with Hi Pass built in, but for how often this baby system goes out, buying something simular for this rig is not something i'd concider.

Any ideas greatly appriciated

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How about running them off an amp that has a hi-pass option built in.  E.g. RMX 2450 has switchable 30hz - 50hz filter
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Hi,

I have got a RMX2450 but its running Mids on another system. Currently got a Crown 2400 on this small system. Looks like its time to swap them over

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2004 at 1:29pm

Originally posted by whitehousejamie whitehousejamie wrote:

1 short horn gives me enough (sometimes too much) bass.

The best solution is simply redefine your personal definition of "enough" bass.  Once you do that will find that you won't be prepared to do any gigs without taking out a massive stack of bass bins and consequently won't have any problem with drivers unloading.

Btw.  "Too" "Much" and "Bass" are 3 words you should avoid using in the same sentence.

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I'm curious, how are you low-passing the cabs at the moment?  I'm assuming you're using an active x-over. Does the x-over not give you the option to set the low x-over point too?

If it's 3 band stereo, could you not use the mid band for it or does it not give enough frequency extension into the bottom range?

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Its the bose controller, 2 way 180hz crossover. Why would i want to take out a big stack of short horns to a show with an audience of 50 people? I like the sound of short horns, thats why i use them, and the one i use on its own does work well on its own, but whats the point of putting frequencies through it that it wont produce very well.

You telling me you dont use a Hi Pass filter on your two stacks of HD15s?

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whitehousejamie

The quickest way to alter the frequencies, is to add an EQ. A Parametric would be best, but, you'll need to know what you are doing.

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Suppose i could just put a 31 band EQ in the rack and kill the first few frequencies
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Yes. That would work.
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Quote Why would i want to take out a big stack of short horns to a show with an audience of 50 people?

It seems (after saturday night) that Dom works on a ratio of 1 kickbin per person... 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2004 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by whitehousejamie whitehousejamie wrote:

Why would i want to take out a big stack of short horns to a show with an audience of 50 people?

Because you need to redefine your audience's definition of enough bass. 

I'd still use a big stack of speakers if it was just me listening to it. 

Originally posted by whitehousejamie whitehousejamie wrote:

You telling me you dont use a Hi Pass filter on your two stacks of HD15s?

We high pass ours at 40hz with a 24db filter.  They will play lower than 40hz though.  If you turn off the highpass in the venue we do our club night, the roof starts shaking itself to bits, so the highpass is definately taking out frequencies that the box can play.

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Don't get me wrong, i do like to take out a big system when i can and need to. But for the smaller gigs, a compact and lightweight system is important. As much as i like to make a venue shake, sometimes that is just not a good idea. I dont wanna get banned from every venue

I would just use a 15in bass reflex instead, but it just doesn't have the kick that a short horn does.

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