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Madhosting
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Topic: HK Lucas Performer 900 amp faultPosted: 07 November 2024 at 10:40am |
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Hi I have a HK Lucas Performer system where the amp module sits
in the Sub with active outputs for the Satellite speakers. The amp is a 4-channel
unit with channels 1 and 2 running bridged for the sub output and 3 and 4 providing
the Satellite outputs. I have an intermittent fault on the left satellite output part of which I am struggling to reproduce on the bench. Firstly, does anyone have the schematics for the amp? The schematics and layouts for the mixer/filter section is in the service manual that is available in several places on the web, but I have failed to locate anything for the amp sections. Otherwise has anyone come across the following issue / issues before and can point me in the right direction. I suspect that they are linked but not 100% sure. From power up there is an intermittent crackle on the left satellite
output that is independent of the volume settings and is still present when the
internal ribbon cables are removed isolating the input/filter boards, so has to
be internal to the main amp section. In use after a reasonable period of use one channel (I
believe also the left) drops to a very low level distorted version of the
output. I have not been able to reproduce this drop out on the bench despite some
reasonably hard running for as long as my ears can take it with a blanket over
the amp, heating and freezing the board, flexing and tapping different sections
etc. As it is only on the one channel that rules out anything in
the psu section. None of the heating / cooling tapping flexing etc appears to
affect the intermittent crackling, at first I thought that the cracking reduced
with warming, but now I am not so convinced. The amp does sound very good through my test setup and I
feal is very worth trying to get to the bottom of. HK do still sell a replacement amp module but at well over
£1k that is not going to happen. All suggestions / ideas gratefully accepted. Thanks Richard |
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Jan-2T
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 12:05pm |
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I would try swapping parts between L en R channel. You could try re-melting the soldering on the larger components, sometimes soldering can crack, (ive seen it mostly on older amps where heat cycles have worked on the board.) This can be found by tapping or pushing components, but not always... If you have data sheets on the amp IC you could try to isolate the audio input pins and see what that does, go from there. Monitor their individual power supply on the resp. pins. Would be a lot easier if you had a schematic of coarse...
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 12:16pm |
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Thanks,
I have already gone over the whole of the board and
resoldered anything that looked even vaguely dry, cracked or dodgy (and a lot that
didn’t but were in the right area). With no difference. Unfortunately, with the way the amp is built even getting
things like the power transistors out to try swapping bits will be a nightmare. I have a reasonable idea of the routing through the amp, I
guess it might be scope out time. |
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Jan-2T
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 12:41pm |
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sine or saw wave in, and scope the path, fun yes! The advantage is the other channel as reference.
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 2:35pm |
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so to be absolutely annoying as soon as I start to pump in a
sinewave (or square wave or sawtooth) the cracking stops completely. It doesn’t appear to matter what frequency I pump in but a
single frequency appears to be stopping all signs of the crackling and breaking
up. With a music signal I did get to the point where it was on the verge of cutting out, the crackling would get more consistent and for a brief instant the audio would kind of reduce and dip into the crackling and then come back good again. Much harder to explain that it should be 😊 |
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 2:55pm |
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It may not be relevant, but I once had a Behringer cab whose plate amp was giving all sorts of problems when mounted, but fine on the bench. In the end, it turned out to be the winding on one of the coils on the main transformer, that was broken, but still making contact, unless the vibration from the cab itself was present, which led to an intermittent fault. PITA. Could it be something like that? |
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 3:20pm |
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Indeed, that's a hard one to find out maybe scope input voltage for that.I would think it is more like a bad semiconductor somewhere in the circuit, where a certain signal treshold is reached and it goes over the gap, if not crackling is heard where a signal or other voltage gets to jump the gap randomly. Still same method, I would try scoping L and R looking for anything different, or swapping L and R components or eliminating components by isolating them one by one... Lift one leg or disconnect series cap or resistor to interrupt Good luck sherlock
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Posted: 07 November 2024 at 4:37pm |
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Or, given that it was a (horrible) Behringer - tap it hard with a hammer!! ![]() |
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