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JaKe
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:10am |
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I think you would would get a better cooling effect with the magnet in the throat chamber as you would be making use of convection cooling.
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:12am |
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I dont understand, how would that work? |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:26am |
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Since both sides of the driver are effectively vented to the outside it doesn't matter which way round you put the driver in terms of heat.
Oh and you don't actually need airflow as such, vibrating air can also transfer the heat just as well. One of my mates did a project at uni using speakers playing tones to cool heatsinks rather than fans! |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:34am |
Thats really interesting Chris, cheers.
I wouldnt be too gutted if i destroyed one driver in the prototyping proccess, (as i have 5 recones to do anyway
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:50am |
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On the subject of heat, drivers survive being put in small completely sealed chambers. So having any opening to the outside should mean the driver stays at a safe temperature (being driven sensibly of course!!!).
You're more likely to have issues with cone loading because the air load will be very different on the two sides of the cone. I'm watching this with interest because I have a very similar design waiting to be prototyped. |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 12:05pm |
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Yeah, i cant wait to find out what happens either! It'll be a few weeks yet though because i need to get a proccessor and an amp & ply (str3000 & ultradrive) so i need ~£700 first, unless i can get some friends to go in on an amp with me?
Or:
If anyone has all of the following let me know:
I might put a message in the wanted section nearer the time, or at least when the cab is built. |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 1:53pm |
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Here is my idea of a ported horn:
The 35hz port added about 7dB from 40hz to 50hz. The system is used with a Q=2 filter at Fb=35hz (you will have to mentally add the EQ).
A Q=2 is 6dB of boost, I wouldn't try more than this on your project.
This is a mod to a commercial very small bass horn (that sounds like it has no bass) with a single 15.
After the mod it justs pounds in the low end!
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:00pm |
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That looks like the sort of plot I want.
How big is this box DJK? Any hint of a manufacturer or box model? Stu |
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Sensitivity + Power Handling - Power Compression = Max Output My acts: www.myspace.com/thebowiexperience www.myspace.com/scheisseelektronisches |
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Jake_Fielder
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:04pm |
What are the dimentions roughly? that is a good efficency and lower cutoff for a small box, i just wondered how small?
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:34pm |
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Back to the heat,
if for example you were to lay a HD15 type box on it's side (with the magnet in the throat chamber), as the magnet gets hot the air will rise past it as it warms up and more will be drawn in from below. The warmed air will then travel along the top of the box and a good portion of it will go out of the box, fresh cool air will be drawn in from below. If the magnet is in the rear chamber with a long port then I don't think this effect will be nearly as effective. As far as drivers in sealed chambers are concerned I put some 15XB's in some Martin115's that had previously been in some bandpass boxes and ran them with a smaller amp than had been used with th BP boxes (same model just a lower power version) and burnt out the VC's on the drivers during the first nights use, they had been in the BP's for years (with bangin SP23 techno), also speaking to one of the designers at Fane he said you will not get the advertised power handling by a wide margin if you stick the speakers in small sealed chambers. For the use you have mentioned ie heavily compressed bangin techno all nighters then sealed rear chambers or poorly vented ones are going to start limiting your output due to power compression and reduced long term thermal power handling. JaKe Edited by JaKe - 07 April 2008 at 3:38pm |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:38pm |
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I assumed that as the front chamber is physically higher than the mouth and most of the horn length, it would be the same either way round, whats your opinion on cehardens post about vibrating air cooling? |
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JaKe
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:52pm |
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Vibrating are I would think will aid in cooling but the heat will stay in the box and so the air will just get hotter and become less effective with time.
Withe the magnet in the throat chamber you have a much bigger and expanding opening which will allow for the convection cooling more effectively. JaKe |
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