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    Posted: 21 May 2006 at 7:04am

anyone see this on ebay..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=74150 29183&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

interested to know why tubbys left gaps in the crossover points. check questions & answers..

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Some of that spec looks made up. e.g. the frequencies of the graphic ( only 7 bands) looks closer to an elvins unit
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Originally posted by mskeete mskeete wrote:

Some of that spec looks made up. e.g. the frequencies of the graphic ( only 7 bands) looks closer to an elvins unit

 

exactly, that guy had an elvins for sale last week along with this old time tubbys one they both had the same description ? does he actually know or what? a funny thing is it didnt sell first time round for £300 the he relisted exactly the same description then gets £420? crazy , what a crap case its in looks like an old biscuit tin to me

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was very tempted to bid on that Elvin's pre.Deciced last minute not to.

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i heard from a very reliable source that they are not really set out properly , the elvins pre that is , he didnt rate it at all
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a reply to same thread on bloodandfire..

"those frequencies are probably the -3 dB points of the crossover filters, which is the common way to specify the cut-off frequency of a filter. Obviously, when you design the crossover filters for a multiband preamp, you want the frequency response to be flat when all filters are active. Since any analog filter does not cut off instantly but with a certain slope, the responses of neighboring filters will overlap within a certain frequency range. You want to design the shapes of the filter frequency responses such that in these overlapping regions, the total response of both filters sums to 0 dB. When neighboring filters would have their -3 dB points at the same frequency (so with no "gap"), the total response would actually be + 3 dB at that frequency. Instead, what you want is that at the cut-off (-3 dB) frequency of one filter, the response of the other is at -10 dB, so that the sum is 0 dB. So the numbers that are given in the description make perfect sense and there is no "gap" in the response."

mskeete do you do the same??

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There are variables in active crossover design which can dramatically affect sound system performance other than "crossover points" eg: "roll-off slope", "Q" or even crossover type (butterworth, bessel etc). IMPO active crossovers are the heart of any good sound system but too often overlooked. Mskeete would you agree?

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Originally posted by novice novice wrote:

a reply to same thread on bloodandfire..

"those frequencies are probably the -3 dB points of the crossover filters, which is the common way to specify the cut-off frequency of a filter. Obviously, when you design the crossover filters for a multiband preamp, you want the frequency response to be flat when all filters are active. Since any analog filter does not cut off instantly but with a certain slope, the responses of neighboring filters will overlap within a certain frequency range. You want to design the shapes of the filter frequency responses such that in these overlapping regions, the total response of both filters sums to 0 dB. When neighboring filters would have their -3 dB points at the same frequency (so with no "gap"), the total response would actually be + 3 dB at that frequency. Instead, what you want is that at the cut-off (-3 dB) frequency of one filter, the response of the other is at -10 dB, so that the sum is 0 dB. So the numbers that are given in the description make perfect sense and there is no "gap" in the response."

mskeete do you do the same??

Hell no
That just doesn't sound right to me.
My points are specified 'properly' and sum to 0db

 

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Originally posted by RENSAAB RENSAAB wrote:

There are variables in active crossover design which can dramatically affect sound system performance other than "crossover points" eg: "roll-off slope", "Q" or even crossover type (butterworth, bessel etc). IMPO active crossovers are the heart of any good sound system but too often overlooked. Mskeete would you agree?

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Completely agree. All crossovers are not the same so you just can't look at crossover points
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u take a listen to tubbys and every1 dat uses tubbys pre amp all soundthesame there is really no definition in his sound check his bass the notes he plays ars the same on every tune and also his 30hz on his pre amp is lazy and u cant often even hear it. Shame on tubbys. but i must give him respect for his mids high and treble it is very clean and his mic to.
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 "his 30hz on his pre amp is lazy and u cant often even hear it"

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Originally posted by mark mark wrote:

u take a listen to tubbys and every1 dat uses tubbys pre amp all soundthesame there is really no definition in his sound check his bass the notes he plays ars the same on every tune and also his 30hz on his pre amp is lazy and u cant often even hear it. Shame on tubbys. but i must give him respect for his mids high and treble it is very clean and his mic to.
 
Lazy bass ? can you explain a bit more what you're trying to say ? As I took a listen to JTS at UOD along side Iration & Aba Shanti-I & didn't hear no lazy bass! Mid-tops clean as you mentioned & the bass shook up the place.
Overall sounded be best in all frequency departments! 
 
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