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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

I ain't got no pretty ofiice & just sit at the PC Tone, I'm cutting drilling, recording music & all sorts then flick back to this.
 
Anyway, I'll be there, see you laterz.
 
HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
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Ain't tested them both side by side yet Hikk.
Might have to keep the results to my self though, as don't want to hear bout no politics or friction again on here.
 
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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Tek, have you tried your v18 in an RX18 yet?
No, not yet.
 
You gonna allow one of us to cut out the mounting hole slightly bigger on your RX's to allow the v18's to fit, then find out you prefer say the PB1850 in there, then because of the larger hole, you can't fit T-Nuts back in to hold the PD ?
 
That's the decision I got to make first.
If I decide to make that cut, then I'll have to definately have to use clamps.
What you reckon Mykey as you're a clamp hater.

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Need to know results ASAP chief, might be trading my PD186's
 Don't dis the PD186's though.
 


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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:



You gonna allow one of us to cut out the mounting hole slightly bigger on your RX's to allow the v18's to fit, then find out you prefer say the PB1850 in there, then because of the larger hole, you can't fit T-Nuts back in to hold the PD ?
 


Did you try it already? The existing JBL 2241 baffle cutout in our RX18's  is 427mm, but still used standard 18" bolt patterns. Insomnia said the PD186 fitted with no mods.

I think the V18 cutout is 430mm. So if you only shave 1.5mm, You could crowbar the V18 in, and still be ok for 1850.

The 1850 flange is 476mm, with holes on 456mm diam.

What d'ya think Steve?

Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:


  Don't dis the PD186's though.


Of course not.. But it aint it in the RX18 chief.


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when you bolt in a driver you can sometimes do damage
 
like when you do a head up on an engine block
you have to tighten 1 bolt then diagonally tighten the opposite bolt and so on
 
especially with the 1850 with a 10,000 (inc) gap, when you use clamps on an 1850 you have to put 10 cycles through it while you are tightening them up to stop coil from rubbing
 
if your baffle is slightly bent then play it while your doing them up
 
the rule of thumb is...if a driver has 12 bolt holes! then use them
 
it's like someone sending you an engine, and you only used 1 engine mount instead of 2
 
plus the brackets look ugly
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Originally posted by Hikk Hikk wrote:

HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
 more time andy


Its about the scoop/driver combo mate.

Rog has just designed a scoop driver and scoop cab for it and it looks like it is the Don.

Previous to this ASS/Shortman+1850 was the Don.

If you want top notch scoop performance on the cheap, modify Superscooper/Fane throat/chamber design to match top notch driver, "make box as heavy as possible" and push it with tasty amp.

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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Did you try it already? The existing JBL 2241 baffle cutout in our RX18's  is 427mm, but still used standard 18" bolt patterns. Insomnia said the PD186 fitted with no mods.

I think the V18 cutout is 430mm. So if you only shave 1.5mm, You could crowbar the V18 in, and still be ok for 1850.
 
I didn't actually try it as I took it for granted that the v18 is the biggest out there.
 
Just had a look at both scoops, & strangely enough, one of them has 4 bolts through T-Nuts as if they previously had clamps on.
 
So if any of them is to be trimmed, shaved & crowbared in, it'll have to be this one.
 
I'll keep you posted.
 
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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Ain't tested them both side by side yet Hikk.
Might have to keep the results to my self though, as don't want to hear bout no politics or friction again on here.
 
 
lol lol lol well meber that THE TRUTH IS AN OFFENCE BUT NOT A SIN...so aslong as you keep it that way nothing can go wrong...
LOL so are you saying with all the noise you have made in the past ,that now SHORTMANS are not up to it?? LOl i mean if they was YOU would BE shouting lol with respect !  OR NOT?


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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:


 
Originally posted by Hikk Hikk wrote:

HEY TEK i read somewhere that you have Shortman and Acc scoops? correct?
Well which ones sound the deapest? Which go the lowest? Which are really the BEST to have?
 more time andy


Its about the scoop/driver combo mate.

Rog has just designed a scoop driver and scoop cab for it and it looks like it is the Don.

Previous to this ASS/Shortman+1850 was the Don.

If you want top notch scoop performance on the cheap, modify Superscooper/Fane throat/chamber design to match top notch driver, "make box as heavy as possible" and push it with tasty amp.

Quote by Guv Tony-ASS.
 
So save us some time ..LIKE measure yours and share with us ! Like the man say they are not original but to a point stolen from someone else and modified ....
I mean you was willing to do it yourself BUY plans share them and all that SO NOW YOU CAN or what? GEt the ruler out or what!
I mean decreasing someones earnings didnt seem to bother you then ,personaly i think reality will show otherwise..
SO why not NOW lol !
 
I know about the new ROGGER SCOOPS but that wasnt what i am interested in! Anyway HE AINT SHARING so no point in worring about that is there?
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Originally posted by hikk hikk wrote:

so are you saying with all the noise you have made in the past ,that now SHORTMANS are not up to it??
 
I'm not saying that at all, quite the opposite actually. Which noise are you on about anyway ?
 
Note: You see how this thread is running along nice & cool ? I know it's hard, but let's try & keep it like that. Respect the builders everytime.
 
A brief gentle reminder:
Quote 10 of Shortmans scoops completely annihilated Brixton Rec the other day, which is a very big place, & when 12 is used, it's actually unbelievable.
 


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Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

 
Type 4.
 
Mush motors.
 
Woofers in this group are Wembley Bline, Eminence Kilomax and the PD 186 almost makes in into this group.  
 
Scoops can also sound ok with mush motors if the front chamber is big enough. But don't expect tight bass. If slow and wobbly is what you like then you will be in heaven with this type of woofer.
 
Rog, can you or anyone who knows, please explain what a mush motor is ?
 
Cheers.
 
Oh yeah, for a few years now I been hearing that the Eminence Kilomax driver sounds no good in a scoop. No I reading they're ok in certain ones.
 
So didn't no one try it in a scoop with a large rear chamber ? 
 


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Originally posted by tb_mike tb_mike wrote:

Why is the PD186 listed here as a Mush motor,when Q is 0.31
Is it because of the low fs?I tend to think of the Q as dominating the type of mushiness.In particular Qts < 0.38.

A low Vas seems to help alot with reducing excursion below scoop cutoff - effectively doing the same action as a low order electrical filter.

Fs 27hz
Qts 0.31
 
 
tb_mike, I think this question of yours got missed by Rog,
 
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