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    Posted: 09 January 2018 at 5:09pm
Looking for long throw box for B&C SW115 AND B&C NW100. I heard that scoops may be my best option. But which scoop would this great sub be best suited for?
 
WAS considering the following also:
 
1)  Cubo - but I read it does not throw far as compared to scoop.
2) Keystone - Read it does not throw far also
3) OT horn - goes too low, I nee strong 55hz-90hz bass
4) Normal reflex - does not throw far.
 
Any other ideas?


Edited by sirck50 - 10 January 2018 at 12:33pm
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Cyclops maybe if you dont wanna go full front loaded horn.
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@ Sypa: Cyclops throw far? Sure?
 
@ sn95: Also, I thought the HOG scoops had an issue with the B&C SW115 magnet touching the inside baffle?
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What is the application? 
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stack of 4 keystones should "throw" quite ok within passband and suit typical soca/dancehall requirements well in therms of tuning/tonality?

Skhorn with 21ds115s seems interesting if you need max spl to size ratio  :)

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Ive had good results with cubo 18 loaded with 18 sound 18lw2400 outdoors for 600-800 people, had 8 of them, 4x tms3 for tops... could of done with more top if im honest. Didnt chuck it as far as a horn loaded cab but was very impressed with the throw, much better than a reflex... for the money, ease of build, output ive not found anything else as good. Found reflex sounded better indoors tho, cubos were hit and miss with room acoustics. 
 
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Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

stack of 4 keystones should "throw" quite ok within passband and suit typical soca/dancehall requirements well in therms of tuning/tonality?

Skhorn with 21ds115s seems interesting if you need max spl to size ratio  :)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sirck50 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 12:11pm
GUYS!!!! I edited the top post to include the B&C 18NW100
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

What is the application? 
I live in Trinidad in the Caribbean. We have an immense mix of culture and music here and also very different venue locations. I do both outdoor and indoor events, and play Soca, Chutny, dancehall, hiphop, techno, and East Indian film music primarily.
 
I have the following, but not overly happy with them:
1) A pair of JBL PRX718 subs - I find they play too low with not enough kick. I tried to EQ it but not happy with the sound still. They work ok indoors, does not throw far outdoors.
2) A pair of DAS Action118 - this sub is similar to the Yorkville LS801P. They are louder than the JBL, but huge and heavy! I find they play kinda low too, but I honestly feel there is a sub out there that's smaller than this, that is louder. They throw OK for a single sub though, especially when I have the pair together.
3) A pair of CUBO 15 Extended (loaded with Selenium SW800) that I built myself - they work well, but I find they don't throw far outdoors. They are also hit and miss when it comes to the venue (they don't sound good sometimes depending where I go).
 
I got 8 B&C 18NW100 on a great deal some time ago, so I wanted to see what is the best option I have with these (looking to build long throw boxes for them)
And then I have a BRAND new pair of B&C 18 SW115 subs that I want to place in a nice pair of all round boxes.
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no single 18 cab of similar size to yours will have any significant "throw" in the bass bandwidth..
for your existing 18nw100s theres at least 2 suitable b&c designs..
(https://www.lautsprecherteile.de/B-C-18-NW-100)

block of 4 of those horns for example will "throw" further and sound punchier than 4 of the reflex cabs simply due to size and better coupling to the air, the 4 reflex will have more output below 40hz but afaik neither soca nor chutny nor most dancehall really require sub freq. as they are rather based on 45-60ish hz basslines mainly?!

if your gigs (and tops/stacking options etc.) allow for blocks of min. 4 of such horns i would switch to horns and sell all other gear you have except maybe the DAS subs, which could be used in very small venues/setups.. or build 2 reflex subs/tapped horns(keystone) for the 18sw115s instead :)




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Thanks for the advice.
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