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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote burningbush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2013 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by pfly pfly wrote:

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Originally posted by Autograff Autograff wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

Originally posted by Autograff Autograff wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

why is active ideal for DJ monitors? i think otherwise, more cable runs on stage, settings open to fiddly fingers, etc.

Not my favourite personally.

If they are run actively through 4core, everyone is happy!

 
As a DJ I prefer active, I feel I have the control of them, and I know there won't be a single bit of delay between them and FOH, so I know my mixes will be ok.


not wishing to be argumentative - but surely as electronic signals travel at [~] the speed of light, there would be no measurable delay between active, and passive...

and you will probably find that the foh IS delayed on most systems.. most modern rigs involve horns and delays by design,

and any distance between your position and the FOH, and the monitors providing they are at a different location, will cause two different delays relative to your ears

And regardless of that, it doesn't matter, main thing is your monitors are are close to as possible to your decks time, not FOH! That's what you are mixing.


 
From personal experience you would be surprised the ammount of passive monitors I have used that are out of time with what I am hearing in the headphones.  Has never happened with active. That's the main reason I prefer active.
Time alignment is all about distance. You will get your headphone signal at the speed of light, where as anything you listen to outside of your headphones will be at the slow normal speed of sound. If you take your active monitor and put it down at the back of the hall, it will be delayed, so as you might see now, active or passive has nothing to do with the delay that you hear.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2013 at 8:57pm
+ 1 tony, the only time ive had issues with monitors was when in one venue they were run 50m plus back to amp room, found it better to mix without them on..... as for passive or active, 99.9% of venues use active, in fact i cant name one in my 25 years of djing that was set up passive.... i cant see the gain or point, in extra amp processing etc.......
 
 
 
 
ooops got me passive and active wrong way round lol..... corrected


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote boots-hifi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2013 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

+ 1 tony, the only time ive had issues with monitors was when in one venue they were run 50m plus back to amp room, found it better to mix without them on..... as for passive or active, 99.9% of venues use passive, in fact i cant name one in my 25 years of djing that was set up active.... i cant see the gain or point, in extra amp processing etc.......

I use active monitors as you know Bee. Quick and easy and very loud for the very deff DJ! Just plug it into the back of the mixer, give him/her control of the booth volume and their you go..hassle free. I used to run JBL baby bum wedges with the 2206's, cant remember the model..needed to take a separate amp/processor etc so much hassle just to please un-entertaining jock. Install I should imagine is allot different, but on the road for me it has to be powered.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2013 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

+ 1 tony, the only time ive had issues with monitors was when in one venue they were run 50m plus back to amp room, found it better to mix without them on..... as for passive or active, 99.9% of venues use passive, in fact i cant name one in my 25 years of djing that was set up active.... i cant see the gain or point, in extra amp processing etc.......


Apparently the others have been talking about powered loudspeakers, not bi-amped unpowered ones.

Also, I bet my ass you will not be able to tell the time/delay difference between 50 metre and 5 metre loudspeaker cable:

Originally posted by Wikipedia Wikipedia wrote:

Propagation speed is affected by insulation, so that in an unshielded copper conductor ranges 95 to 97% that of the speed of light, while in a typical coaxial cable it is about 66% of the speed of light


Now if in the amp room they had some processing configured wrong, then it will be different story. Typical propagation delay through loudspeaker processor's AD, DSP and the is few milliseconds. Stand a metre away from the loudspeaker and you have another 3 milliseconds just from the distance between your ear and loudspeaker driver.


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pfly, prob true, they were well out any way lol..... luminar leisure club say no more LOL......
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very true ben, i cant see the gain in doing it any other way....
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Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

very true ben, i cant see the gain in doing it any other way....
The thought did cross my mind as whether people were talking about powered speakers (amps inside) or active speakers, ( speakers that do not have a passive network inside ). However, whichever type of cab was being used, the laws of acoustics will still apply. cable runs won't make a scrap of difference, it's only the distance the cab is away from your ear that makes a difference.
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All I am saying is from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, active monitors are far less hassle, and I have had far less issues with them.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mini-mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2013 at 3:16pm
+1 on POWERED monitors. one less amp for the rack...
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I always take both, master and booth outputs from the DJ mixer to my "FOH" mixer usually situated somewhere behind the DJ and/or the stack(s) and connect DJ monitors to my console's auxes, this gives me versatility to also route a MC mic or any other signal to DJ monitors independently. Also this gives me nice control over DJ monitor EQ (by my Crest XR20's channels EQ) and levels, although 99,9% of times I only route the booth signal through my console at unity gain. When I do it like this I would only find it annoying to have two loudspeakers that needed "special" treatment than all other loudspeakers in the system, so unpowered speakers it is.

When connected straight to the booth output, powered loudspeakers have small advantage.


Oh and nice looking speakers you have created Tony, once again!
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Bet they will sound real sweet with the b &c drivers . The B&C stuff is really clean ,gonna be some happy DJ'S listening to those while they spin
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