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Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

NO! How can you paint that lovely wood Big smile, didnt fancy the natural look no?


When I will create speakers for my home, I will keep the natural look but, here, this is for road use and I need they are well protected.

You are right, this is a very nice wood
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So, Yesterday was the time for the last finishing Tongue with the help of my son.

Drivers installed:



Doors sealed:



Wheels screwed:



A last touch of paint before mounting the grids and the corners:



Anthony plug-in everything for a first test in the workshop:





You will notice his current tops Behringers 815 (the biggest Behringer model) seems ridiculous on these horns. But decent tops will be the next step Wink



Time to power on Shocked







During the 2 last working hours in the workshop, I was very stresses with the idea: "And if the sound is bad?"

Not a so big place to get the most of these horns but we got a good surprise with the quality of the bass. Very present and powerful with lot of kick. I just crossed them at 200hz for this quick test and will do a finer tuning and eq next week for their first party in a big room.

We started slowly.

At 50% power, sound was very nice.
Around 70%, sound was still nice but it started to snow in the workshop. All wood dust on the walls and the roof started to take down with the vibrations.
Around 85%, some tools started to move and fall down from the wall and we stopped there.

100% will be for next week Embarrassed

And, I will finish by this small video.


Thanks for all your encouragement during the build Big smile


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sooo sweet man! awesome thanks for the piiiics!
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nice build , but one thing I´d do is the screws holding the grill would have used black ones , 
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They look like rivets to me?

Rivets in the handles and back socket won't last either

nice diy job
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Porky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 February 2014 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Fabianm_be Fabianm_be wrote:


At 50% power, sound was very nice.
Around 70%, sound was still nice but it started to snow in the workshop. All wood dust on the walls and the roof started to take down with the vibrations.
Around 85%, some tools started to move and fall down from the wall and we stopped there.

100% will be for next week Embarrassed



That bit really made made me laugh
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Great build thread. Thanks for sharing Smile


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Very nice build! superb
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great stuff!
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Originally posted by Father-Francis Father-Francis wrote:

nice build , but one thing I´d do is the screws holding the grill would have used black ones , 

You are right but this is very difficult, here to find black screws, so I needed to use small stainless steel screws.

I was thinking like you and I just found the solution, I put a bit of the paint I used for the grid on each screw head and now, this is better Wink


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little advice here for your next gig....

those equaliser settings...  the EQ curve of 120-180hz boost would sound terrible on these horns crossed over so high, will honk worse than a rampant goose!!

- So with what you have available here, on the equaliser set the gains at 0db [midday], and flatten the EQ.

- set a highpass at 40hz [if your kit even has the ability?], they won't do much lower as only a pair [especially without the PD186 driver]

- crossover to the midtops at 120hz highest, i liked mine at 100hz to a 15" midtop for DJ stuff - any higher and they are honky and really discolour the sound!

- running the dj tinkertoy at 0db out on the mains [that's the point where green meets yellow lights], turn the bass amp up until it is just below clipping [flashy red lights], set limiter now to limit anything further. Now turn the midtops up to a point which match the output of the bass - they should compliment each other.

- at this point your flat EQ balanced gain system should be sounding as good as it can without help, at this point you can look at the graphic equaliser. Don't try and boost anything below 40hz the cab will over excurse. Stick on a quality song you know well & starting from the top down, try boosting each frequency so you can 'hear it', then decide if it is fine in relation to the rest of the rig, or if it needs more or less. Repeat process through all the frequencies. Once complete, start that song again, and work your way through it again until you finalise on the sound you want. Bare in mind, just because it is there, you very may well not need to change it.


Thoughts for the future...
1: you need a proper processor [crossover] which can handle crossover, delays, and limiting all in one! Mixing horn's and reflex without delay is asking for trouble....
2: your bass amp really isn't big enough IMO, these cabs are power hungry and will be strangled by lack of power. When you upgrade midtops, you could use it on them instead!


Keep up the great work though, your son is a lucky chap, i built my first 186 horns when i was 17... on my own Thumbs Down


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MK2, you are really reading in my thought.

The Eq settings you see on the pictures was the one from the last gig with Behringer tops and Behringer sub. I didn't take time to restart a setting from 0 because we had only 5 minutes to try the 186 before loading them into the van.

This rig will be used a few time in this technical configuration in order to get a bit of money back and will be improved in the future. A processor is on the "To buy" list.

For the amp, by the way, I need some guidance because, yes, I got this one for a ridiculous price and, since my plan was to not overload the drivers, It sounded good for me because, we use it in bridged mode with the 186 in parallel, so at 4 ohm, it can deliver 1800W.

May I send more than 900W into these RCF drivers on the long term?

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its looking very nice wanna see a pic of when its painted 
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