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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote norty303 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2012 at 6:39pm
How much budget do you have to play with?

Chamsys do a 5 hour time limited USB dongle for £10. After 5hrs you have to unplug it and plug it back in again.
MagicQ, their software is free, but will do just about anything and can be a bit daunting at first glance, particularly if you have no previous experience of lighting control.

I might be clearing out some old stock soon, and have some very good condition Martin Destroyers (gobo flower effect, M33 lamp version - youtube them...) that might end up going.

A good desk will make a bad light look ok, a great light on a crap controller will just look crap (and often uncontrollable in any real sense)
If you want to use intelligent lighting fixtures, avoid any controller that requires you to manipulate the actual DMX channels (e.g. any of the cheap DJ controllers). Most decent desks/controllers hide all that stuff and you simply use 'colour', 'position', 'intensity' options to control the lights.
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thanks to everyone... so far!

iv PM'd a few people on little bits, but i still would love to know if i need more lights/less lights, bet software to use for laptop controlled DMX... tips on making it all go well... problems people have come across and how theyve over come them.....

i mean if im running DMX cable around 24ms worth of gazebo is there any signal loss?... does it interfere with speaker cable?

rope lights?.. should i buy some run them round the ceiling (inside) and have them as part of my DMX display?

im very open to any ideas as iv got a while to do this and am happy to try and test things out.

ive been looking on youtube too and it would seem LED scanners are nowhere near as bright as discharge lamps.. and gobos!... im loving gobos!... ive got some disco lights ive bought for her halloween party she had this year but i really can stress enuff how "balls out" i want to go!!

cheers to everyone so far.
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F*ck rope lights.

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Originally posted by infrasound infrasound wrote:

F*ck rope lights.

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i ment to go round the whole length of the ceiling so i could jump between having that on one second then the up lights (PARs) on the next in a flip-flop. so all the lights are DMX controlled or use the rope light all the way round as a room strobe......


no one tried that?.. i dont just mean shit rope lights static on just hanging there...

can i get a +1 on rope lights set out like this as good or shit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Audio_AL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2012 at 1:21am
hmm I think it would look good to have it strobe but I'm not sure how you would do that...? One of those relay packs for converting halogen par cans to DMX? 

Static rope lights = Shit +1
Strobe rope lights = good +1

Let me know what your budget is and ill tell you what I would buy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mini-mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2012 at 1:28am
theres no budget so to speak it will be a work in progress...

but... if i buy a small DMX dimmer or said rope light... and 4 LED PAR cans i should be able to control the lot. LED PAR cans for up lighters and they will be able to colour change/dim and have seperate addresses so i can run them in a bank or "chase" them round the room for yet another effect.

i think running a rope light off of some sort of DMX interface wont be to hard.

then incorparating the scanners in to should make it quite a show.... what do you think Audio_AL?
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Did I hear 'no budget' ?! haha

This is what i've got my eye on... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9MHj1qo9fw

Anyways... that should look nice. I think if you are going for more of a club type feel I would put the pars up in the corners and shine them down towards the dance floor. 
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ok, now this guy uses bars.. i wana do some thing with the same effect but using PAR cans in the four corners of the tent and usng the rope light all the way round for the 360 degree strobe.... and wen the PARs are not chasing or colour changing the dance floor the scnners come in to throw beams of light across everyone with some low light colour washes.

... ok now i understand what a universe is! lol

ok got a million and one ideas for the lighting it just getting it al together and making it work.

anyone else used and cool effects they like?
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Quote ve been looking on youtube too and it would seem LED scanners are nowhere near as bright as discharge lamps


I think it all depends on what LED fixtures you are looking at.
Of course the cheap ones won't compare, but some do.
Unfortunately, most LED scanners fall into the 'disco tat' category, and that is where they aim them.

For under £250 each you could buy a Stairville MHX25 moving head which is roughly comparable to a 150w discharge fixture.
I encountered 4 of these at a festival over the summer and was very impressed. Nice smooth movement on everything, pretty flat brightness over the output area, rotating gobos, nice range of colours, etc. Certainly very adequate for your event, and beyond if it takes off for you.

I liked them enough that I'll probably be buying some of their bigger brothers, equivalent to a 250w discharge lamp.


As for software suggestions, for cheap, you probably will struggle to do better than Chamsys MagicQ (free) on one of their £10 dongles.
It's basically the software off their fully fledged consoles, with a few restrictions to give you an incentive to buy their products at some point. But it works fully and well just as the software.
But as i said in my last post, it will take some time and effort on your part to learn it, as it can do pretty much anything you want.
A cheap touch screen (15 or 17" ELO off ebay for ~£100) transforms it, and makes it very powerful.

Once you know that, you could step up to any of their consoles and feel right at home, and even take a show you've done on a memory stick and load it straight onto the hardware.

I'll stop, because I'm a fanboy, and people get fed up with hearing it, but lots of people like it for a reason.

However, you will need to suspend your thinking that it is running on a laptop, so it must work like a Windows application. If you approach it as you would a dedicated piece of hardware, then you'll get along much quicker.

There are other options, such as Freestyler which has a more 'MS Windows' workflow and feel which you may gel better with, but if you want 'pukka lighting desk' then MagicQ is the one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote James Tengo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2012 at 4:26pm
And that's why most major lighting companies worldwide now stock their hardware. Orbital, leftfield, underworld, groove armarda, pendulum, nine inch nails, korn, elbow, chase and status, inxs, even the human league (to name just a few) - all tours with chamsys desks on them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cravings Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2012 at 5:00pm
is magigQ fairly lightweight software? as in, will an old spec laptop run it fine?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cravings Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2012 at 5:05pm
reading the specs on their site.. it seems very light on pc specs, but they suggest a good graphics card for visualisations... would you use the visualisations a lot?
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