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    Posted: 24 November 2016 at 5:11pm
Hi guys,
I have designed this passive crossover and wanted to know if it looks ok. I can get all the parts at reasonable prices just wanted someone with a more professional eye to look over it before I put an order in and start making it.

Any help would be appreciated

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expectations are: 2nd order butterworth 2 way 200hz x/over with 6db ATT on the HF +/- 5%



C1&2=22uf
C1&2a=47uf
C1&2b=1uf

L1=9mH
L2=9mH

R1= 3.99r
R2=8.04r





Edited by DJ-Versatile - 24 November 2016 at 5:12pm
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you will want a zobel on the LF section or it's unlikely to roll-off well. It's usual to put capacitors in parallel to reach the desired level rather than in series - you do realise that capacitors combine in the opposite way to resistors?
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Thanks for the reply snowflake, this is my first attempt at a x/over so please excuse my ignorance I'll have a go at redesigning it tomorrow and adding a zobel filter :)
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Your values are correct for 200Hz, however, there is a reason why you dont often see 200Hz passive crossovers, particularly if you want any sort of serious power handling. 

 A typical off the shelf 9mH inductor usually wont handle anywhere near enough power for anything vaguely serious - if this is a hifi project then fine, but for PA use you will need a chunky inductor to handle the power, and you potentially start introducing a significant series resistance which is lossy.

Lower frequencies like this are generally best handled with an active crossover.

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Here is the RCF MSW8 300w 150hz crossover to show how chunky thigs get, 12" driver & lighter for scale, rubbish pic but you can get an idea


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That looks like a transformer type inductor, they work but they are made that way to suit a price. They arent great at higher power, as the core will saturate quite easily.
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As it is, you don't want to build that circuit. Like phil suggests if you want those capacitors to add up in value they need to be wired in parallel. This is because impedance is proportional to the inverse of capacitance and so the series/parallel resistor relationships reverse to the other way around too.

We also need to know the impedances of the driver and HF you plan to connect it to as well. R and L for the driver, and a nominal R for the tweeter will do.

Like Phil says also, consider a zobel for the woofer once you have measured its inductance to give it a resistive impedance outside of resonance and make it easier for an amplifier to drive it.

When you calculate resistors for an Lpad, you also should take into account the resistance of their loar (tweeter R) and size them accordingly so that the L-pad in combination with the tweeter still presents the same effective resistance to the filter before it. Or you will shift your expected crossover point.

Lastly I would highly suggest ditching fritzing. It is really only good for making nice graphics of circuits on breadboards. Sucks for anything else. Get LTSpice and don't look back. It will also simulate the result of your circuits so you can be absolutely confident in your circuit before you build it for real and buy expensive parts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lili Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 November 2016 at 2:19am
Originally posted by DJ-Versatile DJ-Versatile wrote:

I have designed this passive crossover

No, you have not.
This is, what your crossover frequenzy response looks like with a 15" 8 Ohm speaker in a box tuned to 45 Hz
red curve with
grey curve without crossover



Impedance at 120 Hz is around 3 Ohms




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He certainly has designed it, whether it will work as intended is another question!


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Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

He certainly has designed it, whether it will work as intended is another question!



LOL be nice guys it's my first attempt Embarrassed
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Originally posted by DJ-Versatile DJ-Versatile wrote:

Originally posted by odc04r odc04r wrote:

He certainly has designed it, whether it will work as intended is another question!



LOL be nice guys it's my first attempt Embarrassed


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what drivers are you using that you need a 200Hz crossover?
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