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DJ-Versatile
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Posted: 24 November 2016 at 5:11pm |
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Hi guys,
I have designed this passive crossover and wanted to know if it looks ok. I can get all the parts at reasonable prices just wanted someone with a more professional eye to look over it before I put an order in and start making it. Any help would be appreciated TIA expectations are: 2nd order butterworth 2 way 200hz x/over with 6db ATT on the HF +/- 5% C1&2=22uf C1&2a=47uf C1&2b=1uf L1=9mH L2=9mH R1= 3.99r R2=8.04r Edited by DJ-Versatile - 24 November 2016 at 5:12pm |
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snowflake
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you will want a zobel on the LF section or it's unlikely to roll-off well. It's usual to put capacitors in parallel to reach the desired level rather than in series - you do realise that capacitors combine in the opposite way to resistors?
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Thanks for the reply snowflake, this is my first attempt at a x/over so please excuse my ignorance I'll have a go at redesigning it tomorrow and adding a zobel filter :)
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Your values are correct for 200Hz, however, there is a reason why you dont often see 200Hz passive crossovers, particularly if you want any sort of serious power handling.
A typical off the shelf 9mH inductor usually wont handle anywhere near enough power for anything vaguely serious - if this is a hifi project then fine, but for PA use you will need a chunky inductor to handle the power, and you potentially start introducing a significant series resistance which is lossy. Lower frequencies like this are generally best handled with an active crossover. |
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That looks like a transformer type inductor, they work but they are made that way to suit a price. They arent great at higher power, as the core will saturate quite easily.
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As it is, you don't want to build that circuit. Like phil suggests if you want those capacitors to add up in value they need to be wired in parallel. This is because impedance is proportional to the inverse of capacitance and so the series/parallel resistor relationships reverse to the other way around too.
We also need to know the impedances of the driver and HF you plan to connect it to as well. R and L for the driver, and a nominal R for the tweeter will do. Like Phil says also, consider a zobel for the woofer once you have measured its inductance to give it a resistive impedance outside of resonance and make it easier for an amplifier to drive it. When you calculate resistors for an Lpad, you also should take into account the resistance of their loar (tweeter R) and size them accordingly so that the L-pad in combination with the tweeter still presents the same effective resistance to the filter before it. Or you will shift your expected crossover point. Lastly I would highly suggest ditching fritzing. It is really only good for making nice graphics of circuits on breadboards. Sucks for anything else. Get LTSpice and don't look back. It will also simulate the result of your circuits so you can be absolutely confident in your circuit before you build it for real and buy expensive parts. |
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No, you have not. This is, what your crossover frequenzy response looks like with a 15" 8 Ohm speaker in a box tuned to 45 Hz red curve with grey curve without crossover Impedance at 120 Hz is around 3 Ohms |
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He certainly has designed it, whether it will work as intended is another question!
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be nice guys it's my first attempt
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Just playing At least you're asking if it's right or not, and by the time we're finished it will be. |
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what drivers are you using that you need a 200Hz crossover?
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