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Originally posted by ArthurG ArthurG wrote:

Original 186 and V2 are the same, only chassis change. From the start, this driver had a high qts (>0.45). Datasheet was wrong. 

Excellent.

Any chance you could list the measured parameters of the V1 & V2 parameters side by side ?
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Originally posted by ArthurG ArthurG wrote:

The day you will truly measure parameters in real life, instead of believing on manufacturers marketing sheets, you will have an heart attack LOL

Amen to than! :-)
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by ArthurG ArthurG wrote:

The day you will truly measure parameters in real life, instead of believing on manufacturers marketing sheets, you will have an heart attack LOL

Amen to than! :-)


Indeed.

And when you measure them under large signal behavior you'll be even more baffled :)
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by ArthurG ArthurG wrote:

The day you will truly measure parameters in real life, instead of believing on manufacturers marketing sheets, you will have an heart attack LOL

Amen to than! :-)
 
2nd that, I even got shot down in another thread for saying the 186 is not a horn driver....
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The moment when you get exited about the fact you got a pair of sparkling new 12 inches you want to test for the first time. Priceless.
Then you measure them. One has a Fs of 77Hz the other one is 115Hz.
Ooops.
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

The moment when you get exited about the fact you got a pair of sparkling new 12 inches you want to test for the first time. Priceless.
Then you measure them. One has a Fs of 77Hz the other one is 115Hz.
Ooops.



Surely legal action can be taken if manufacturer specifications wildly differ from actual ?

Do large audio firms tolerate this?
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That was P-audio SN12MB. Still have those two somewhere in some boxes. My first and last encounter with P-audio.
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Get both drivers in question and measure them yourself, or get someone with the right equipment to do it for you. Even it's just to satisfy your curiousity, Wink
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A speaker store in Praque measured the T/S:

good-old PD186: http://www.prodance.cz/files/dl/1/1979/TS_PD186.pdf
PD 186 MARK II: http://www.prodance.cz/files/dl/8/15605/PD186_2.pdf

Interesting site, they also have measurements of RCF LF18P400 and 'G400.

I'm not sure if I'm yet ready to accept that the reincarnation of what I thought to be the greatest mid-BL 18" driver available has a Qts between 0,52 (published) and 0,67 (measured).
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Originally posted by fourway hornloaded fourway hornloaded wrote:


I'm not sure if I'm yet ready to accept that the reincarnation of what I thought to be the greatest mid-BL 18" driver available has a Qts between 0,52 (published) and 0,67 (measured).


Once you can accept, that "some" manufacturers (and distributors), will lie through their teeth, to get your hard earned into their pocket, you can accept most things in the sound world.

At least Celestion,  B&C,  RCF, Beyma, 18sound, still make decent 18" reflex drivers.

Waiting to see how long it takes for this thread to be locked or deleted.LOL


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Originally posted by fourway hornloaded fourway hornloaded wrote:

A speaker store in Praque measured the T/S:

good-old PD186: http://www.prodance.cz/files/dl/1/1979/TS_PD186.pdf
PD 186 MARK II: http://www.prodance.cz/files/dl/8/15605/PD186_2.pdf

Interesting site, they also have measurements of RCF LF18P400 and 'G400.

I'm not sure if I'm yet ready to accept that the reincarnation of what I thought to be the greatest mid-BL 18" driver available has a Qts between 0,52 (published) and 0,67 (measured).








need to get these guys to measure old chassis pd1850 alongside new chassis Wink
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