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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote csg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 9:05am
i hope the picture stays up, i think it shows the internals of one of the best pieces of industrial design that i have seen in a long time, and real world testing and usage under arduous conditions backs that up. 

 In-fact next time i have one of my X8's open for cleaning ill take some nice pictures of that for you too...


To be fair, if PKN could add a good DSP platform, along with digital signal routing options they would probably have a very good and useful amplifier platform, but in this day and age not to have these features is a serious weakness in the touring market, and as such market penetration will remain very limited, despite how many joules storage, or how good an arc welder they are...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote concept-10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 11:41am
Quote by CSG.  To be fair, if PKN could add a good DSP platform, along with digital signal routing options they would probably have a very good and useful amplifier platform, but in this day and age not to have these features is a serious weakness in the touring market, and as such market penetration will remain very limited, despite how many joules storage, or how good an arc welder they are...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RONAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 5:22pm
This is a terrible forum for lads answering questions they were not even asked... I believe the point of this thread was to ask an opinion regarding the PKN xe10000 ? . We all know Powersoft make good amps, so too do Labgrupen & Linea  research etc.  etc.. They are all pretty good depending on your application needs and budget.. Regarding built in dsp and digital inputs , lots don't need or like using them..Is there a point in buying something you don't need ?
        Maybe this user intends using an external xta type dsp.. (one that doesn't  need a laptop to adjust or change presets).. What if this amp is to be used for simple pub /club type gigs and doesn't  need a digital input.
       I would suggest if you contact "Blue aron"  they would set up an ab test with other similar amps and hear for yourself.. My experience has been great with the xe10000 as we mostly drive 2 x18" per side, however I have also driven 3 per side 2.6 ohms no issues and lots of headroom.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote csg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 6:09pm
off course - there is nothing wrong in using an external DSP if that is your preference, and likewise there is nothing wrong at all in using analogue signal distribution, but at this price point ( 3950EUR is right up there with all the other top tier options) it does seem feature poor and it will restrict the take-up of PKN for a lot of users. but no bother either way, its a free country and all that.

I would be very surprised if blue aran would be willing to set up an AB against amplifiers of similar calibre if they don't already own them. And whilst we are at it, thats another issue against the take-up of PKN, the lack of proper trade distribution, larger companies are not going to purchase their stock through a retailer, and they are not going to want to purchase their stock direct from a factory the other side of Europe, without local warranty / repair / tech support being available.

It may interest you to know that i had a few racks full of PKN's quite a few years ago, and found them to be excellent amplifiers so have absolutely nothing against them...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dylan-penguinmedia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 8:52pm
Same reason Matrix amps don’t make sense in the pro audio world from a business point of view, their distribution model.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toastyghost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 9:54pm
£3950 inc VAT is K20 money, possibly with DSP if you’re lucky. So yes it’s a fair comparison.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RONAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 11:47pm
No your way off there on price, the xe10000 offers good value (in my opinion).. The last Manufacturers suggested retail price  (Msrp) was €2600 ex vat. that's quiet a long way from £3950 stl..  So are we all sure we are looking at the same amp model ?

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The XE10000 (not 'U') model is currently on Blue Aran's website for £2k ex VAT retail price.  If you are a genuine trade user there is a good chance you'd be paying less than that.  Doesn't look that unreasonable to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote boots-hifi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2018 at 7:34am
Originally posted by ceharden ceharden wrote:

The XE10000 (not 'U') model is currently on Blue Aran's website for £2k ex VAT retail price.  If you are a genuine trade user there is a good chance you'd be paying less than that.  Doesn't look that unreasonable to me.

Exactly why I’m looking at investing in a few. The other PKNs are very reliable, we will be using this weekend again at carnival as we have for many a year now. My issue is not the lack of features ie inbuilt DSP but if it can perform rated specs (or as close as) and how it sounds. 
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I already have LAKE processing in the racks, We do not want to replace that. I do not want to processing separately each channels neither, things are more simpler ( ~ sounds better) with LESS invasive processing!
XE10000 compared to the 6000 models gives lot more headroom and more tight control of the speakers yet the sound quality is bit warmer, as far as we have experienced.

It definitely goes lot deeper in low frequencies than the 6000, feels already on low power. But I do not know why, maybe the higher rails?

Be careful with settings of limiters and gain, the XE10000 has the potential to kill speakers pretty fast, much faster than 6000... Even sometimes you do not feel that the woofer would be running way over-driven due limiters.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote boots-hifi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2019 at 1:05pm
So I've taken the plunge and purchased a XE10000 from BluAran.  If anyone fancies setting up a good old fashion amp shoot out let me know. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris Grimshaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2019 at 4:25pm
Yeah, I'm up for that. Amps I have around:

- Crown MA12000i, MA5002VZ
- Powersoft T604, T602, T304
- Various Behringer

Let me know where and when.

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