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Originally posted by Chris Grimshaw Chris Grimshaw wrote:

Yeah, I'm up for that. Amps I have around:

- Crown MA12000i, MA5002VZ
- Powersoft T604, T602, T304
- Various Behringer

Let me know where and when.

Chris


Call it Manchester with plenty of notice, and I can probably add K20, X4/X8, MC2 Delta, Linea 44M20 and maybe even an XTA APA into the pot, plus some subs that can take the juice

I've also got the tools to take frequency response and distortion measurements out the arse of the amps.

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Originally posted by boots-hifi boots-hifi wrote:

So I've taken the plunge and purchased a XE10000 from BluAran.  If anyone fancies setting up a good old fashion amp shoot out let me know. 


got the MK1 SAE PQM13 and another more recent version.
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Please do this..  Just find some big labG too please!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote boots-hifi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2019 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Grimshaw Chris Grimshaw wrote:

Yeah, I'm up for that. Amps I have around:

- Crown MA12000i, MA5002VZ
- Powersoft T604, T602, T304
- Various Behringer

Let me know where and when.

Chris
 

Up for that Kyle. Pm me with some dates maybe. 

I'd be looking to A/B amps with similar output and design. 

Anyone that's interested ill get back with a date and we can take it from there. 



Call it Manchester with plenty of notice, and I can probably add K20, X4/X8, MC2 Delta, Linea 44M20 and maybe even an XTA APA into the pot, plus some subs that can take the juice

I've also got the tools to take frequency response and distortion measurements out the arse of the amps.
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Be aware that PKN has + and - outputs both live, need to have proper "balanced HV probes"  << Not very common!
Otherwise huge fire is guaranteed :-D

our Martin SUBs got new life when driving with XE10000 (after the 6000 amps)
even not going with Voltage above ~170V set on the internal limiters of the amp.
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Originally posted by U.Viktor U.Viktor wrote:

Be aware that PKN has + and - outputs both live, need to have proper "balanced HV probes"  << Not very common!
Otherwise huge fire is guaranteed :-D

our Martin SUBs got new life when driving with XE10000 (after the 6000 amps)
even not going with Voltage above ~170V set on the internal limiters of the amp.



Not interested in bench tests, we're driving speakers, not banks of copper in a bucket of water.

You can measure the frequency response of an amplifier including DSP performance - if the amp has it - quite easily using a decent transformer network, and I have a dedicated device for this, as well as easy tapping of output voltage using a TrueRMS meter for devices that don't offer built-in impedance tracking.

It's also much better to use a calibrated RTA platform and SPL measurement with an adjusted input stimulus to ensure that the same amount of voltage gain / multiplier is being applied.

That makes it much easier to compare the 'tone' of an amp rather than getting into a pissing contest of pure loudness. That can of course be done, to see which amp is able to deliver the most peak and long-term SPL by using simple Leq measurements as well as peak hold.

I can also track current draw to see roughly how efficient each unit is, although this is a place that you can generally trust the manufacturer's data if they're a decent company. You don't sell hundreds of amps to proper installs without thermal dissipation and current draw data...
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Please proceed with this test so we can once and for all end this pkn debate hahaha,  seriously genuinely interested in the results even a bit hyped Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote boots-hifi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2019 at 8:56pm
So the amp turned up today. Had a quick play with it, single 18" reflex loaded with PD184. Sounded really good, better than a 6000 which I find quite untonal. Appears to be plenty of power available. Obviously this needs to be tested properly and compared to similar amps but on first impressions I'm happy with it. Just waiting on Kyle to get back to me with a date. 
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Originally posted by boots-hifi boots-hifi wrote:

So the amp turned up today. Had a quick play with it, single 18" reflex loaded with PD184. Sounded really good, better than a 6000 which I find quite untonal. Appears to be plenty of power available. Obviously this needs to be tested properly and compared to similar amps but on first impressions I'm happy with it. Just waiting on Kyle to get back to me with a date. 


In all honesty it’s going to be January, and then in our new spot perhaps whilst it’s a building site. Otherwise March. Lots on!
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Happy to do an a/b in a venue before if anybody has any ideas.  
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I can do early January, but later on that month could be tricky. March would probably be better.

Here's the list of amps we've (probably) got available so far:
- Powersoft - T304, T604, T602, K20, X4, X8
- MC2 Delta
- Linea 44M20
- PKN XE10000
- Crown - MA12000i, MA5002VZ
- SAE PQM13

Should be an interesting day.

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Depending on timing I can add a updated sae pcm 20 (what ben at elements audio is selling as the ck 26,) and a matrix xt6004 if anyone is interested.  I'd like to see how the ck26 compares to the pkn. 

Suggest we run it all from a wonky old genny just to keep the speakerplans spirit alive. 
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