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I'm currently looking at the idea of getting a professional cabinet maker to build me two G Subs loaded with RCF LF18X451 drivers but someone has said the ports might not be big enough because the LF18X451 drivers move a hell of a lot of air. I don't know the internal volume of the G Subs (taking off for braces etc..) though so I can't calculate how long or big the ports in the G Subs would need to be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MarjanM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2016 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Teunos Teunos wrote:

  1. Tbx is 1200W, RCF is 1800W. (Both AES rating)
  2. Rcf has 115mm voicecoil, Tbx has 100mm so most likely less power compression.
  3. Rcf has (34-15)/2=9.5 mm true xmax, 
    Tbx has (25-12)/2=6.5 mm true xmax.
More power, more linear displacement and less power compression.
Also, RCF has a higher BL/Re gives a stronger motor.

I'd take the RCF any day of the week over the B&C.

That still aint going to make it 4-5db louder.
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Like i've said I mean 3db.
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The reason I mention the TBX is because it models flatter than X 451
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Gsub with all that baffle inside aint big enough. I'd start with the below and get used to sims. Having said that if you leave those triangle ports un-glued you should be able to play with various lengths by ear and choose what suits?
http://www.fane-international.com/downloads/Fane%20EN21802%20Enclosure.pdf
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Thanks but I want the RCF LF18X451 drivers in a dual 18" sub not Fane.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djteknovibe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2016 at 10:19pm
I put it into WinISD and tried it with two RCF LF18X451 drivers in a G Sub, I adjusted the port width to 102mm instead of the 120mm width on the original G Sub plans and aport length of 221mm instead of the 193mm of the original G Sub plans. This below is the frequency response it gave me, box tuning 35hz and is -3db down at 38.5hz.


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Oh and the spl output with 3,600 watts continuous put into the sub with the two drivers is 132db at 37hz.
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Look at your port velocity.
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I've tried and can't get the velocity much lower than that at all. Couldn't I just add a bit more to the internal volume of the enclosure that way I could increase the port size. I worked out as standard the G Sub has an internal volume of about 265.3 litres.


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Those results aren't great in terms of SPL or cutoff frequency to be honest.
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I give up it's too overwhelming, I struggle to get it all through my head.
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