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If you can stretch your budget a fraction, my best bet would be for a Crest Audio CA18. Given a stiff power supply I think that's pretty tough to beat around that price. Non of your 20m/s burst specifications with that.

Edit: Sorry, I just read that you bought a PV3000. Enjoy!


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Do another A/B with the PV3000 and the 3801 once it's been serviced and given a clean bill of health LOL
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FFA 3600 that's for mid top and kick no ? Not a sub amp. I think they even say that their www site.

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Never understood, why some crews spend real money on 18" sub drivers, then try to power them, with el cheapo, sub par, sub amps.

False economy, as it will result in blown drivers, when the amps clip, and send square waves to the 18" voice coils.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Never understood, why some crews spend real money on 18" sub drivers, then try to power them, with el cheapo, sub par, sub amps.

False economy, as it will result in blown drivers, when the amps clip, and send square waves to the 18" voice coils.

Unfortunately we don't all have thousands of pounds to sling around on gear bud. I've put together the system I've got on a really tight budget, to be able to do gigs that I really want to do, mostly for the love of it. I work as a support worker, and it ain't a well paid job. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons why people can't afford expensive kit. Does that make more sense..? 


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i would be interested in couple of experiments, lets say we could mesure 10 different sound systems, 5 of them have expensive drivers and cheep amplifiers, another 5 have stacked strong amps but cheep drivers, who would you bet on levyte? personaly i would bet on the system with better drivers but who knows
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Originally posted by BrainlessTekno BrainlessTekno wrote:

i would be interested in couple of experiments, lets say we could mesure 10 different sound systems, 5 of them have expensive drivers and cheep amplifiers, another 5 have stacked strong amps but cheep drivers, who would you bet on levyte? personaly i would bet on the system with better drivers but who knows

I think the biggest limitation/element that effects any system, is the design of the cabs. There's some really cheap amps which will boot out a whole lot of current into subs, but as Levyte points out, they're likely to blow drivers if they go into the red, if not watched/limited very carefully. There's some excellent quality cheap drivers available these days, which slay in the right cabs, especially on the end of a big amp. 
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Originally posted by Larry23 Larry23 wrote:

Originally posted by BrainlessTekno BrainlessTekno wrote:

i would be interested in couple of experiments, lets say we could mesure 10 different sound systems, 5 of them have expensive drivers and cheep amplifiers, another 5 have stacked strong amps but cheep drivers, who would you bet on levyte? personaly i would bet on the system with better drivers but who knows

I think the biggest limitation/element that effects any system, is the design of the cabs. There's some really cheap amps which will boot out a whole lot of current into subs, but as Levyte points out, they're likely to blow drivers if they go into the red, if not watched/limited very carefully. There's some excellent quality cheap drivers available these days, which slay in the right cabs, especially on the end of a big amp. 


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The design of the cab - or matching the driver & cab is hugely important. I've heard some cabs with very expensive drivers just fail because of the design/tuning. And some cheap(ish) drivers sounding great in the correct cab for them. 

BUT with cheaper drivers, it's usually extremely important to set the HPF properly - and avoid clipping, definitely. The cheaper drivers are generally less tolerant & will need more care.



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i agree with all what you sad but my point was to figure out what factor is more important, drivers or amps, lets say i someone could not afford best amp and best drivers but just one of them, so should he choose amp or drivers? i know there is no definite answer to this and i do not demand one, just theoretical talk Smile
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Aye.

Most important? The cab design!!   LOL LOL LOL





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chat gpt sad that if you have some more money you should put it into the drivers but it lacks a lot of knowledge around the audio world so i dont trust him fully

yeah yeah witch is bigger A or B ? of course the answer is C LOL
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Originally posted by BrainlessTekno BrainlessTekno wrote:

i agree with all what you sad but my point was to figure out what factor is more important, drivers or amps, lets say i someone could not afford best amp and best drivers but just one of them, so should he choose amp or drivers? i know there is no definite answer to this and i do not demand one, just theoretical talk Smile


In terms of loudness, I would say that it really depends on what type of music is being played. Cheaper amps for sub duty would be more favourable to house and techno, whereas D&B and dubstep have more sustained very low frequency content.
  Many of these newer amps claim high power output but for very short durations, whereas the old skool welding variety can actually produce sustained sinewave bass for long periods.
  We were discussing the difference between a Thomann T-amp 1200wpc vs a Crest Audio CA9 900wpc. While not a Class D 20m/s burst claim example, the T-amps 1200w is claimed with a THD figure measured only at 1khz, whereas the CA9 is rated 20hz-20khz. I have no doubt that measure with a 40hz sinewave the T-amp will not be able to compete with the CA9.
  The same can be said for bass drivers. There are so many claims of high power handling, but they are not all measured in the same way. Also, dedicated subbass drivers really need a lot of clean power to operate properly. If the damping factor of an amp is not suffienct, it can lead to driver damage even way below the rated power handling of a driver because it cannot control driver excursion. Amplifier clipping will also lead to voice coil overheat even if the rated output of the amp is below the rated power handling of a driver. People often used to assume that a 100w amp can't damage a 200w driver, but that's not the case.
  Good quality amps have always been more expensive than speakers, but there's been a long standing trend in soundsystem culture of the uneducated to spend more on speakers than amps because the speakers are more impressive to look at and the amps are pretty much invisible. I'm in no way suggesting that the majority of owners/operators see it that way, but I'm sure some of you know what I mean! 


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