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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Shhhh they’re not bloody announced yet


Never say I didn't warn you Lol , they can't keep it down LOLLOLLOL


Worst kept secret

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i started getting inside info should get two-three home for testing Aka Keeps TongueTongueLOL 
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Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:

Oh christ, not this again. Sorry I'm late to the party, but I thought I'd try and redress the balance.

Yes, we now own 6 of the X8 Dante, and they perform flawlessly whatever we ask of them.  I shy away from gigs obsessed by bass bass bass these days, although when we have needed it these X8's do deliver, seemingly as much as you want.

What they were excellent at driving recently was a large distributed outdoor sound system in Nottingham, where we had to cover 10k people in the round.  On a 2 day install for a 45 minute show, we put in 600 metres of Cat 5 cable, with Cisco switches and access points, all run from a QL1 on Dante.  With a man with an Ipad at each hang or stack controlling levels.  Headroom for days and no issues.

I'm not sure how else I would have wanted to rig and control that lot without native Dante?  As a package, Powersoft seem to have smashed it out of the park in terms of all round capability vs value for money.

We have also just started swapping our smaller systems and monitor rigs over to Powersoft T604 amps, which offer half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply, but for much less money.  I'll let you know how we get on with these, but the first few gigs have gone very well with the one we are trying out.

I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I do have real world experience of this kit.
so you got any T604 home yet ? what would say about them ?
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Yes, we have had a T604 for 6 weeks or so.  So far so good, it is indeed a mini X4 with slightly fewer features, but full Dante and Armonia.

I can't tell you about flat out 28hz 1 ohm bass performance with 6x 21" a channel, as that isn't the marketplace we're in.  I have hung some JBL VRX/SRX off it though, and had no problems with various 500 to 800 capacity shows.  That's 4 x SRX718 and 4 x VRX932 over 4 channels, on a 16 amp connector from heavy mains power.

We also have a Quattrocanali 4804 that was used heavily last year, and the T604 performs very close to that, albeit it in a more sturdy, road ready package.

I've got to say, these days, we are more often asked to turn stuff down rather than up, so outright performance in voltage/SPL terms isn't something I come across often.  For us it's more about overall sound quality, pattern control, seamless scaling, reliability, durablity, portability and cost of ownership.  All these recent offerings from Powersoft that we have tried have really performed well in those areas.
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Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:

Yes, we have had a T604 for 6 weeks or so.  So far so good, it is indeed a mini X4 with slightly fewer features, but full Dante and Armonia.

I can't tell you about flat out 28hz 1 ohm bass performance with 6x 21" a channel, as that isn't the marketplace we're in.  I have hung some JBL VRX/SRX off it though, and had no problems with various 500 to 800 capacity shows.  That's 4 x SRX718 and 4 x VRX932 over 4 channels, on a 16 amp connector from heavy mains power.

We also have a Quattrocanali 4804 that was used heavily last year, and the T604 performs very close to that, albeit it in a more sturdy, road ready package.

I've got to say, these days, we are more often asked to turn stuff down rather than up, so outright performance in voltage/SPL terms isn't something I come across often.  For us it's more about overall sound quality, pattern control, seamless scaling, reliability, durablity, portability and cost of ownership.  All these recent offerings from Powersoft that we have tried have really performed well in those areas.
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Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:


Powersoft T604 amps, which offer half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply, but for much less money. 


Looks interesting but what does it mean " half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply "
Is it even weaker in its class than the X4? I mean continuous & burst ratings?
The problem with the x4 is the really weak power supply, I would expecting that powersoft develop something more robust, not weaker ;)
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Originally posted by U.Viktor U.Viktor wrote:

Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:


Powersoft T604 amps, which offer half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply, but for much less money. 


Looks interesting but what does it mean " half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply "
Is it even weaker in its class than the X4? I mean continuous & burst ratings?
The problem with the x4 is the really weak power supply, I would expecting that powersoft develop something more robust, not weaker ;)

I absolutely did not expect this response.Wink
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Originally posted by smitske96 smitske96 wrote:

Originally posted by U.Viktor U.Viktor wrote:

Originally posted by Shelfstacker Shelfstacker wrote:


Powersoft T604 amps, which offer half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply, but for much less money. 


Looks interesting but what does it mean " half the power of an X4, with a less sophisticated power supply "
Is it even weaker in its class than the X4? I mean continuous & burst ratings?
The problem with the x4 is the really weak power supply, I would expecting that powersoft develop something more robust, not weaker ;)

I absolutely did not expect this response.Wink
He is still absolutely right..
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but then again, it probably does the job Ermm
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"Probably?" 

When we have tested X4 collapsed, run out of steam only 2 channels was loaded by wide-range high capacity boxes (~2000W and 4R per ch) driven by bit more heavy type music but clean and unclipped even 3* 400Vac strong 32A input!!!
The whole construction of the amp reflecting that it has been designed to deliver duty cycles of average to peak way bellow 1:10 ratio.

For which job X4 is OK? Driving PA speakers on the bus or train station...


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Again, we are nothing but happy using Powersoft X8, T604 and Quattrocanali 4804 all in real world situations, day in, day out.

Having previously owned 23x K8's that got to 10 years old and still seemed to have life in them,  I have very little to complain about of Powersofts products. 

I'll let somebody else answer Viktors ramblings, I'm a a bit busy actually being out using the products in the real world. 
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The K series are very different, we have some of K10 and K20 (also Martin's own version for subs)
K10 can deliver much serious average rates when required (K10 better than 1:2 while the X4 is 1:10 or so).
It is still NOT perfect, I know that not everyone happy with Powersoft's sound quality but +3.. +6dB more what X4 can do.
Sure there are some trajectory on the speaker market too that you can get very very famous brand's top line array or highend boxes for really lot of money while they are completely scrap, can not deliver demanding tones.. power and SPL ratings are inflated: these are a perfect match to X4 :-D


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Sorry mate, I have no idea what you are on about.  I was talking more of reliability of the K series, rather than brute output.  They lasted 10 years, I'm happy.  I hope the new stuff last 10 years.

The new kit does more than we ask of it, not sure what you are slagging them off for, they work really really well for us and many other people.  Good luck with whatever it is you use.


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