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Posted By: Old king coles
Subject: RC1 new active speakers
Date Posted: 23 December 2017 at 11:06am
Had the pleasure of hearing these last night and all I can say is WOW! Amazing punch and clarity from remarkably compact boxes...genuinely impressed



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Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 23 December 2017 at 2:06pm
Hey dude, was good to meet up last night, glad you liked them 😁


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 23 December 2017 at 2:20pm
Was great to meet you too bro! You guys smashed the clash imo...definitely better dubs and bass

Think I'm going to need a pair of your new tops in the near future!


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 23 December 2017 at 6:48pm
Awesome :)



Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 24 December 2017 at 10:54am
Are those DIY, or commercial cabs? If so, what?



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Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 24 December 2017 at 2:09pm
Commercial, active with onboard processing, amps and processers designed and built by Jon (RC1), brochures are available, I will get Jon to comment on here.


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by concept-10 concept-10 wrote:

Commercial, active with onboard processing, amps and processers designed and built by Jon (RC1), brochures are available, I will get Jon to comment on here.



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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 4:52pm
Hi, yes they're my own design.
There is a mid/hi speaker called the uploads/12746/ESPIELLA_Printed_Spec1.pdf" rel="nofollow - "Espiella"  and a bass speaker called the uploads/12746/UNIBASS_Printed_Spec9.pdf" rel="nofollow - "Unibass".
 
Both have built in analogue processing including crossovers, preset eq and dynamic processing/limiters, all my own original circuit designs.
 
Mid/his are bi-amped with traditional MOSFET circuit class AB of 1500W RMS for mid and 500W RMS for tops driving 15 inch + 1.4 inch compression driver with active fan + fluid cooling.  Very loud with genuine 140db peak 1m output from something about the size of a typical 15 inch disco speaker, but still in my opinion a very clean and hifi sound quality.
 
Bass bins have my own original designed Bipolar class B bass amplifier of 2000W RMS, a unique design without emitter resistors to minimise natural output impedance for ultimate heavyweight current dumping.  Driving a single reflex loaded and fan cooled driver of approx 22 inches diameter.  They provide a very enjoyable heavyweight sound from a surprisingly small unit.
 
We do intend to offer these units for sale to anyone interested, feel free to message me for more info.


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 4:53pm
uploads/12746/ESPIELLA_Printed_Spec1.pdf" rel="nofollow - Here is the spec sheet for the Espiella.


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 4:54pm
uploads/12746/UNIBASS_Printed_Spec9.pdf" rel="nofollow - Here is the spec sheet for the Unibass.


Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 6:30pm
Ehh latest trend of putting 500W into hf drivers
https://www.qsc.com/live-sound/products/loudspeakers/powered-loudspeakers/k-series/live-soundk8/
Or
https://www.qsc.com/live-sound/products/loudspeakers/powered-loudspeakers/k-series/k12/


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 7:46pm
It's called head room


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 8:25pm
watts are cheap these days, cheaper to put lots of power into a speaker than getting a driver to make the same output with half the power at the same price point.


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

watts are cheap these days, cheaper to put lots of power into a speaker than getting a driver to make the same output with half the power at the same price point.


Agreed, but harder still to get a high efficiency driver and find a way of running it reliably at a higher power as well. That’s what makes these speakers different. 140 db peak of top pro audio quality sound from something as small as a little disco speaker is the result, and I’m hoping people will appreciate a small active speaker with those properties.

I’m not planning to spend much time online trying to convince people of something they might not be ready to believe or accept, I’ll just wait until people have the chance to hear them and let them decide based on the only valid criteria, which is how they actually perform.

Hopefully you might hear them sometime, and then I would be delighted to receive any feedback, good or bad :-)


Posted By: supremesoundz
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 5:55am
Message me a brochure please. Were these the boxes used at the Bristol sound clash?
Would like to hear these if you guys are playing in London anytime soon


Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 8:58am
whilst I applaud you for trying to bring something new to the market, I would have major concerns about a cabinet weighing 57Kg breaking into the mobile / small system market, being too heavy for 99% of speaker stands / distance poles + top hat assemblies, and too heavy for the majority of people to lift up high safely.
I also question the need for a small wide coverage speaker that can offer 140db - that in the hands of a mobile dj with dodgy mp3's fills me with dread...


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Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 9:31am
aybe a case to be made (so to speak) for a lightweight version with the same guts but a number of compromises for lower weight using specialised materials and processes at a modest extra cost.

Lots of talk of the possible benefits of well braced poplar ply ie, get grilles and tophat and handles in aluminium, shave grams wherever possible and you may get it down to 42-45.

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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:19am
Game changer if price OK. 57kg for a cab in a situation where 4 cabs look like they can do the job of many is a small price to pay. 2 sub, two top. If the dispersion is OK a couple or three hundred kilos (no amp rack don't forget) is the whole system!


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Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:36am
Lots of active boxes from big brands claim 137dB these days with full range capability. They may be optimistic in their ratings but you're looking at 101dB reflex with 3000w+ amp power. The best modern 15" drivers can take that and more in well managed peaks, especially if band limited to 110Hz and up..and of course cheap light class D modules continue to improve.

The weight really is a major issue here. It's competing against dozens of viable alternatives if you don't need 140dB clean from one box.

Compared to the best alternatives on offer currently it's perhaps got the performance of 5 boxes in 3, and there are situations where this will be useful, but when those 5 boxes are 30kg each they're a lot more flexible in application.

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Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:47am
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Game changer if price OK. 57kg for a cab in a situation where 4 cabs look like they can do the job of many is a small price to pay. 2 sub, two top. If the dispersion is OK a couple or three hundred kilos (no amp rack don't forget) is the whole system!

 
Correct Nicky, these are game changers, they do exactly what the brochure says with unbelievable quality, they are nothing like other active boxes on the market, but I'm sure they will be pulled apart on here by others who have not heard them.
Hope you had a good Xmas buddy 😀


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:51am
My opinion for what it's worth...2 stacks of 3 speakers, 2 sub plus one top would easily produce enough very high quality sound for almost any indoor event! These things were very loud and clear, surprisingly so in fact and they genuinely weren't turned up anywhere near full! I don't claim to be an expert it I have seen a lot of large rigs and this was up there! I have no connection with RC1 just saying what I saw and heard in person


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 11:17am
I fail to see how 4 boxes at below 300kg is an issue for a complete system. Ffs folks people carry tons of metal in for trendy rigging, damn great amp racks etc. If the figures add up in tests then it's Four damn boxes for a lot of people. Get a sack truck or some weights. 57kg, not 157! My record boxes came to more than that for 20years trawling around DJing

Edit. The man said cabs size of disco cabs. Not these are for discos. No wedding dj or singer needs 140db, they will continue with normal stuff. These if proved as advertised will REDUCE the carry in for many. Can't wait to hear them and take a peak at the tech

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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

watts are cheap these days, cheaper to put lots of power into a speaker than getting a driver to make the same output with half the power at the same price point.


Agreed, but harder still to get a high efficiency driver and find a way of running it reliably at a higher power as well. That’s what makes these speakers different. 140 db peak of top pro audio quality sound from something as small as a little disco speaker is the result, and I’m hoping people will appreciate a small active speaker with those properties.

I’m not planning to spend much time online trying to convince people of something they might not be ready to believe or accept, I’ll just wait until people have the chance to hear them and let them decide based on the only valid criteria, which is how they actually perform.

Hopefully you might hear them sometime, and then I would be delighted to receive any feedback, good or bad :-)



hey man not slagging at all, more a reply to the 500w comment before. I look forward to hearing all your stuff one day, you really need to fit your south west events into my schedule, contact me next time and we can make sure your plans revolve around me WinkLOL




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Posted By: smitske96
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 1:47am
I have some questions afterwards.

-If you're using 500 (reall) Watts head room for the High (maybe also mid) driver.
As I am known of the biggest (as in AES Watts) high driver is 230 Watt AES, and even if that driver is pushed to 230 Watt AES you would need a double horn loaded (maybe 12") section to accompany it.
So I am really curious how the max SPL is reached by a single 15". Even if it is horn loaded I don't see it happen really..

Maybe there is a language barrier.. and that some things are not quite right how i said it.
Ofcourse I would love to hear the system first before I give a real option about the stuff, but I don't see that happening in The Netherlands soon Cry. (and I am really not a "reggae and stuff" guy, so maybe I have some different preferences).




Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 4:24am
What kinda prices? 


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 4:43am
140db peak figure is measured or calculated?
If we reverse calculate, it gets us to 134db with 1500W applied.
That is 131.5 db amplification, so the box needs to be 103.5db sensitive.
I know a 15 inch driver that is capable of taking 1500W and it has 103ish db efficiency, but in a very limited bandwidth. 
If actively cooled, might be able to take more power. So theoretically this is achievable.
If 52kg box is fine for you, then all cool.
But ill rather have two 21kg full range boxes with 136db peak in a way smaller package then that.


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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 12:20pm
What is the horizontal coverage?

Are there any measurements and polar plots available?


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by all bass all bass wrote:

What is the horizontal coverage?

Are there any measurements and polar plots available?


Nominal coverage for mid/hi speakers is 60 degrees horizontal by 50 degrees vertical.
Not published any polar plots yet, but we do have measurement figures from our tests, so may well publish some plots shortly.


Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 1:13pm
any pics?


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

140db peak figure is measured or calculated?
If we reverse calculate, it gets us to 134db with 1500W applied.
That is 131.5 db amplification, so the box needs to be 103.5db sensitive.
I know a 15 inch driver that is capable of taking 1500W and it has 103ish db efficiency, but in a very limited bandwidth. 
If actively cooled, might be able to take more power. So theoretically this is achievable.
If 52kg box is fine for you, then all cool.
But ill rather have two 21kg full range boxes with 136db peak in a way smaller package then that.


Hi Marjan, you’re not far off the mark on the SPL calcs, and with slightly higher than 103db at some frequencies plus a bit of dynamic headroom above the sinewave 1,500 watt rms on the amp it is perfectly possible and the Espiella proves it.

Even looking at the tops with 500 watts rms (the processing allows the amp to run to it’s clip limiter for music signals and the driver has proven reliable at taking it) there is plenty of scope. 500 watts rms gives (10x500log(10))=+27db, therefore 112+27=139db RMS or 145db peak. Well in excess of the 140db I refer to.

I accept your point that you and many other people would prefer a lighter box and do not require such SPL performance, and in that situation I agree this product would not be the right solution. It is not intended to be a product for the typical user. However, for the people that simply want an exceptionally high performance speaker with massive headroom I think this might be a perfect solution, and I don’t think 57 kg is really all that heavy in the big boy pro audio world.


Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 1:49pm
2k a cab is some serious output,..Nuke ive got some logic xp15s 600 watters and ther loud for a 25kg box,..but didital sounding to me,..much prefere analog on mid top duty,,its probably the toroidal what bumps the weight up in this cab,..but cant hav it all ay rds Tongue 


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by BASSHORSE BASSHORSE wrote:

any pics?


Not got any great ones on the phone here, but found this one from the demo last friday.


Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 3:41pm
In these days, it is more or less valid that you claim 140db for that box, compared to what other brands do, so please dont take this as a personal criticism.
But looking at REAL long term, wide bandwidth distortion limited max SPL, any two way top speaker is FAR off.
Yes, your HF may have 112db/w/m on a 60x50° horn at 3 khz. But how about 10 kHz? Maybe 103db/w/m? To reach 10% THD in the super HF, you need less than 100w. So that makes ~123dB. Now the lower end of the passband: 103db/w/m may be possible with a 15", but not below 200Hz (below the baffle step where it radiates into true fullspace). A 15" is in the 96dB ballpark around 150Hz, even less below. Add 1500w and no power compression, you end up with 127dB. That is a VERY good figure for a two way active speaker and imo the way you should rate such speakers. But again, you got to claim output as the others do to stay competitive so please dont take this as an attack.




Posted By: Aman Gebru
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 4:22pm
108.2

That is the magic number.


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by corell corell wrote:

In these days, it is more or less valid that you claim 140db for that box, compared to what other brands do, so please dont take this as a personal criticism.
But looking at REAL long term, wide bandwidth distortion limited max SPL, any two way top speaker is FAR off.
Yes, your HF may have 112db/w/m on a 60x50° horn at 3 khz. But how about 10 kHz? Maybe 103db/w/m? To reach 10% THD in the super HF, you need less than 100w. So that makes ~123dB. Now the lower end of the passband: 103db/w/m may be possible with a 15", but not below 200Hz (below the baffle step where it radiates into true fullspace). A 15" is in the 96dB ballpark around 150Hz, even less below. Add 1500w and no power compression, you end up with 127dB. That is a VERY good figure for a two way active speaker and imo the way you should rate such speakers. But again, you got to claim output as the others do to stay competitive so please dont take this as an attack.




I am just as frustrated as you with the specs of things these days. Everyone quotes over inflated maximum peak figures rather than reliable honest long term averages. Yes, the quoted figure of being able to produce over 140db peak is only valid for peaks and not across every frequency, but it is an honest and genuinely achievable figure and in line with the way other people seem to want to measure/spec things these days.

To be honest I feel frustrated that some other products quote peak figures that they simply can’t realistically achieve at all, and in comparison to us that prejudices against me for my honesty and makes a mockery of quoted specs across the board.

I would rather people don’t read our quoted spec and just listen to the speakers as the clarity and extreme high SPL and headroom that sets them apart from other speakers is then immediately obvious. However, people want a spec sheet with numbers so they can continue the pointless game of hypothetical “top trumps”, so reluctantly I’ve published some numbers.


Posted By: daavneeq
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 7:57pm
Keep up the good work RC1/ John, I've not heard your system yet, I have read the story from the start on here so to speak and wish you well for the simple fact you are doing things your own way, own boxes, created your own wave and have people talking and are taking people on with your own creations. That's where a lot of memorable creations (not just in sound) come from. It's fair to say everything you have achieved up this point can't be just a fluke. Who cares if it looks 'rave' (nothing a paint job wouldn't fix if a client/ venue wanted it etc). Hoy a cluster of it in the air on some rigging and people might take more notice these days eh! :)

Have a good New Year.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

140db peak figure is measured or calculated?
If we reverse calculate, it gets us to 134db with 1500W applied.
That is 131.5 db amplification, so the box needs to be 103.5db sensitive.
I know a 15 inch driver that is capable of taking 1500W and it has 103ish db efficiency, but in a very limited bandwidth. 
If actively cooled, might be able to take more power. So theoretically this is achievable.
If 52kg box is fine for you, then all cool.
But ill rather have two 21kg full range boxes with 136db peak in a way smaller package then that.


Hi Marjan, you’re not far off the mark on the SPL calcs, and with slightly higher than 103db at some frequencies plus a bit of dynamic headroom above the sinewave 1,500 watt rms on the amp it is perfectly possible and the Espiella proves it.

Even looking at the tops with 500 watts rms (the processing allows the amp to run to it’s clip limiter for music signals and the driver has proven reliable at taking it) there is plenty of scope. 500 watts rms gives (10x500log(10))=+27db, therefore 112+27=139db RMS or 145db peak. Well in excess of the 140db I refer to.

I accept your point that you and many other people would prefer a lighter box and do not require such SPL performance, and in that situation I agree this product would not be the right solution. It is not intended to be a product for the typical user. However, for the people that simply want an exceptionally high performance speaker with massive headroom I think this might be a perfect solution, and I don’t think 57 kg is really all that heavy in the big boy pro audio world.

Its a spec war there. I am very well aware of that, but again i always try to be as honest as possible. So that is why i never take any peaks as a point of where i should take the value from.
Although technically it would be correct, in real life you would eq out the peaks to achieve a flat freq response. Then figures are a bit different.
We have a 12+1 top that can take K10 up to the clip point. Do we recommend such way of using/ Sure we dont, because besides the fact it can do it, it wont serve you very long. Which is the main point in the rental business, ROI.

Anyhow, keep up the good work. Oh, and work a bit on the aesthetics :-).
 


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Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 8:58am
Very interesting cab Jon.
 
Are you willing to disclose what drivers you using?
 
Rish


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 9:34am
Originally posted by rish rish wrote:


Very interesting cab Jon.
 
Are you willing to disclose what drivers you using?
 
Rish


The drivers are 1.4 inch throat compression driver on tops, approx 15 inch basket diameter driver on mids and approx 22 inch basket diameter driver on bass.

Unlike the RC1 drivers, the drivers we’re using here are not so unique, they’re just good quality units from well known manufacturers. I’ve told a few people already what they are, it’s not a secret, however I would prefer people didn’t know until they’ve at least heard the boxes, otherwise some people will undoubtably pre-judge the boxes with their own prejudices for better or worse.

The performance of the boxes has nothing to do with any of the components, it’s about what we’ve done with them, that’s where the skill and magic comes in. Otherwise would be a bit like pre-judging a baker’s cakes according to where he bought his flour!

Thanks for the interest in what we’re doing, I’m sure you’ll hear more about all the components in due course, but hopefully you’ll have a chance to actually hear how our boxes perform first.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

Originally posted by rish rish wrote:


Very interesting cab Jon.
 
Are you willing to disclose what drivers you using?
 
Rish


The drivers are 1.4 inch throat compression driver on tops, approx 15 inch basket diameter driver on mids and approx 22 inch basket diameter driver on bass.

Unlike the RC1 drivers, the drivers we’re using here are not so unique, they’re just good quality units from well known manufacturers. I’ve told a few people already what they are, it’s not a secret, however I would prefer people didn’t know until they’ve at least heard the boxes, otherwise some people will undoubtably pre-judge the boxes with their own prejudices for better or worse.

The performance of the boxes has nothing to do with any of the components, it’s about what we’ve done with them, that’s where the skill and magic comes in. Otherwise would be a bit like pre-judging a baker’s cakes according to where he bought his flour!

Thanks for the interest in what we’re doing, I’m sure you’ll hear more about all the components in due course, but hopefully you’ll have a chance to actually hear how our boxes perform first.

EXACTLY!!!

The little hair i got left on my head is rising whenever people ask me whats inside.


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https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713


Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

approx 15 inch basket diameter driver on mids

SO that would be a 14" nominal diameter. Not too many around ;) :p


Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 1:34pm
Basket diameter and nominal diameter are roughly equivalent these days (at least with larger drivers). Very rare that they're a whole inch off.

Faital Pro 18's are 46cm, Eighteensound's 46.2. Only a hair off 18" (45.72cm). Eighteensound spec sheets actually list 'nominal diameter' and 'overall diameter' as the same value.

Nominal has nothing to do with effective operating area. It means exactly as the word suggests - it's how the manufacturer decides to 'nom' the component.


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Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 1:36pm
its all about the price now,.Handshake


Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

Originally posted by rish rish wrote:


Very interesting cab Jon.
 
Are you willing to disclose what drivers you using?
 
Rish


The drivers are 1.4 inch throat compression driver on tops, approx 15 inch basket diameter driver on mids and approx 22 inch basket diameter driver on bass.

Unlike the RC1 drivers, the drivers we’re using here are not so unique, they’re just good quality units from well known manufacturers. I’ve told a few people already what they are, it’s not a secret, however I would prefer people didn’t know until they’ve at least heard the boxes, otherwise some people will undoubtably pre-judge the boxes with their own prejudices for better or worse.

The performance of the boxes has nothing to do with any of the components, it’s about what we’ve done with them, that’s where the skill and magic comes in. Otherwise would be a bit like pre-judging a baker’s cakes according to where he bought his flour!

Thanks for the interest in what we’re doing, I’m sure you’ll hear more about all the components in due course, but hopefully you’ll have a chance to actually hear how our boxes perform first.


EXACTLY!!!

The little hair i got left on my head is rising whenever people ask me whats inside.


What's wrong with knowing what components are in a cab. If one does not know what he is buying, then he conduct his business with blind folds on. It's like buying a car and not knowing what engine it has. Are we just supposed to take the manufactures word for granted that's it's a fast car or will you research the specs of the engine? Don't be fooled in thinking that customers should not know what's in a cab/ product etc. If I'm spending my hard earned money, I damn well want to know what I'm buying because I'm sure as good as the Rc1 cab may be, it comes with a premium price tag as well.

If you are building cabs for yourself and not for resale then I'll understand if one does not want to disclose what components are being used.

Rish



Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 4:46pm
Rish, a car manufacturer can tell you anything, it's the test drive that seals the deal, people don't buy F1 or L acoustics because of their components, they choose them for how they perform, go take a test drive.


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 4:47pm
Dear Rish,

From your last reply above I fear you misunderstood the point I made earlier. I am happy to be totally transparent with people buying our speakers regarding all the components. There are no secrets about the drivers we use. I just would prefer people to listen first and judge them as “our product” on the merits of their actual performance, rather than pre-judging them beforehand based on their own previous experiences and prejudices of the internal components. It’s not what you’re using, it’s what you do with it that counts.

For what it’s worth I do agree with you that anyone actually spending thousands of pounds of their hard earned money should be entitled to know what they’re buying!

Best regards, Jon.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 5:02pm
Rish, if i tell you that we use (this is just as am example) certain RCF hf driver, will that tell you how it actually sounds in our cabs? No it wont, because we make our own horns and we design crossovers to get to the sound that we want our boxes to have. 
So you wont get any conclusion from the info what is inside the box.


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Rish, if i tell you that we use (this is just as am example) certain RCF hf driver, will that tell you how it actually sounds in our cabs? No it wont, because we make our own horns and we design crossovers to get to the sound that we want our boxes to have. 
So you wont get any conclusion from the info what is inside the box.


EXACTLY. Couldn’t put it better myself.


Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 5:34pm
As in your example above, if Rcf, 18 sound etc was used and disclosed, as a buyer I will have some sort of surety that you are using quality components. Obviously processing, cross over will be your "secret touch" to make your product better than your competitors and make me as a consumer purchase your product as opposed to someone else. Promoting your product by letting customers know the secret to the brilliant sound on your cabs are on the processing will make a potential client one step closer to purchasing your product as he will know that there is no skytek drivers in the cab as in the case of Ev zlx series.
Personally I would like to know that I am spending my money on quality components and then paying a premium for the expertise, knowledge and experience that you and Jon have in getting the cab to sound great which the lay man does not have.
I will give you a good tip in marketing " sell the sizzle, not the steak". I am not out to bash you or the product as I love sound and have no doubt you know what you doing.


Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 6:20pm
If you ring up a pro audio manufacturer, I’ll bet the majority don’t tell you what’s in the box.
FBT are very proud of their association with B&C, but you ask d&b what their boxes are loaded with and they’ll laugh and skirt around the question - same with Nexo, L’acoustics, etc. Coda will possibly tell you BMS, I guess... Martin may mention B&C, but it’s not all of their products.
Mainly because they want you to buy their spares. But other reasons include changing suppliers halfway through product lifespans, or drivers being OEM spec so knowing the manufacturer is a bit futile.


Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

I am happy to be totally transparent with people buying our speakers regarding all the components.

Than tell us


Posted By: dlyxover
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 6:36pm
Dose it really matter whats inside as long as they preform as intended.

Do one really know whats in Mcdonalds, YET people think it tastes good and keep consuming.

(dont think this point could be iterated many more ways on this thread LOL)

Would love to hear the boxes Jon.


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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 6:56pm


secret ingredient inside to make them loud and proud Big smile

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Posted By: midas
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 7:22pm
it really makes absolutely no difference if you know the make of driver or not.

It will only give miss conceptions by biased views.

Go and listen.

If I go to a gig, my first thought is either that sounds good or bloody hell thats crap. Not I wonder what drivers are in them.

If the sound is to your liking it makes no difference if it is a fiver from China or silly money from F1.



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Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:



secret ingredient inside to make them loud and proud Big smile
"No need to add any other spices"

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So no adding chilli? Right...


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Posted By: chunkydj
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 7:30pm
57KG isn't an issue for an active box.... D&B C7 top is a 52kg top - passive! 
C7 sub is 49kg..... 

Roll on pricing announcement - id be very interested. 


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Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 7:42pm
Dylan - I see you rate RC1 right up there with Nexo , Martin etc. Good for you.. keep it up. If you don't know why I made this comment go back and read your tread. I'll give you a clue ( established brand charging a premium price vs a non established brand charging a premium price.

Midas -If I am just out to listen then you are right, who cares what's in the box but if I am investing in a product and I am not talking pennies here I damn well sure I want to know what's inside from a non established brand.

Please note I did not say and am not implying that the non established brand is any inferior of a product to an established brand. Probably it's better than the established brand in many ways.

Dlyxover - McDonald's have a legal right and obligation to inform people what they use in their meals. It's people who choose not to ask the questions. Believe you me, if you only know what goes into making a patty in their burgers, you will not eat it ever again


Rish



Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by rish rish wrote:

As in your example above, if Rcf, 18 sound etc was used and disclosed, as a buyer I will have some sort of surety that you are using quality components. Obviously processing, cross over will be your "secret touch" to make your product better than your competitors and make me as a consumer purchase your product as opposed to someone else. Promoting your product by letting customers know the secret to the brilliant sound on your cabs are on the processing will make a potential client one step closer to purchasing your product as he will know that there is no skytek drivers in the cab as in the case of Ev zlx series.
Personally I would like to know that I am spending my money on quality components and then paying a premium for the expertise, knowledge and experience that you and Jon have in getting the cab to sound great which the lay man does not have.
I will give you a good tip in marketing " sell the sizzle, not the steak". I am not out to bash you or the product as I love sound and have no doubt you know what you doing.

Again, i have seen and heard too many bad sounding boxes full with BC, BMS, Faital... you name it.
I chose RCF in my example because to me most of the RCF boxes sound like crap, but their components shine in other manufacturers boxes.
If the box performs as advertised, that is the only thing that should mater.
What we use is no secret, i believe that most of the forum members know me very well since i am here for about 15 years now. Jon is also someone that is very well known to the people here and making a shit and unreliable product and sell it to anyone is basically a suicide. 
Give me a random Chinese components and ill make you a box that will sound better then 70% of the top European drivers inside boxes. So again, its not whats inside but how it is all done as a whole product.


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 8:26pm
Quite a lot of people are inquiring about pricing. List price is £3,000 + vat per box.

That appears to be good value against other pro audio speakers, many of which these would significantly outperform, plus with these speakers the amps and processing are included as well.

The speakers, including all electronics, etc, are hand built out of top quality components in the UK, using no cheap imported parts from Asia. As a result they are expensive products to build, but you get what you pay for. They were designed to perform regardless of cost, and no compromises have been made there.

Of course they will come with a warranty, and I am aware my reputation fully depends on their reliability and our response should a problem ever develop. All the components will be kept in stock on the shelf at our workshops in Dorset, so there’s nothing that cannot be repaired promptly, plus we will keep some of the system in our hire stock too in order to assist our customers whenever needed.

If anyone is interested in a demo, or discussing the possibility of purchasing, then please drop me a message.


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 8:27pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Again, i have seen and heard too many bad sounding boxes full with BC, BMS, Faital... you name it.
I chose RCF in my example because to me most of the RCF boxes sound like crap, but their components shine in other manufacturers boxes.
If the box performs as advertised, that is the only thing that should mater.
What we use is no secret, i believe that most of the forum members know me very well since i am here for about 15 years now. Jon is also someone that is very well known to the people here and making a shit and unreliable product and sell it to anyone is basically a suicide. 
Give me a random Chinese components and ill make you a box that will sound better then 70% of the top European drivers inside boxes. So again, its not whats inside but how it is all done as a whole product.
Clap
Also agree on RCF. Old kit, Event era sounded lovely to my ears, but the modern stuff is a bit like cheap EV of today. Got a suspicion the manufacturing might not be in Italy too? 


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Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 8:52pm
So 4000 euros or near enough $5000 US for a 15" reflex + horn bin with off the shelf drivers which looks like a DIY cab?


I guess I'm not feeling the magic.


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Posted By: krazyneil
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 9:17pm
£3600 for a box that looks like I made it in my garageConfused
I seriously think you need to make them look like a production speaker you would get from d&b, l acustics ,ohm ect  first before anybody in there right mind would pay that sort of money

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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by krazyneil krazyneil wrote:


£3600 for a box that looks like I made it in my garageConfused
I seriously think you need to make them look like a production speaker you would get from d&b, l acustics ,ohm ect  first before anybody in there right mind would pay that sort of money


The units we sell will be built and finished to the same standard as any pro audio box, I totally agree with your point that it is important. These speakers are not aimed at budget applications, they are meant to be a top end and exclusive product and of course they must look that way.


Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:



secret ingredient inside to make them loud and proud Big smile
"No need to add any other spices"

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So no adding chilli? Right...


maybe a little scotch bonnet LOL


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

So 4000 euros or near enough $5000 US for a 15" reflex + horn bin with off the shelf drivers which looks like a DIY cab?

I guess I'm not feeling the magic.


Firstly £3,000 is the list price and there is, as with any other product, always a margin for negotiation.

Secondly there are loads of cheaper options out there, but they won’t be hand made in England out of such top quality components and they won’t sound like these do. It just depends where your priorities are, you usually get what you pay for, and in this case I believe you’re getting better value for your money than with many other pro audio options. Good value and cheap are not the same thing. These are not supposed to be cheap.


Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 11:04pm
I do see where you're coming from, and I have no doubt you've taken every care in the engineering and implementation of these boxes. I'd written out a very lengthy post but my computer crashed so you'll have to do with a summary: there are many complex reasons why people pay that sort of money for a speaker cabinet and they're approximately the same reasons why people pay 3 quid for Neurofen rather than 20p for supermarket own brand which is exactly the same chemical composition. It has little to do with the price of the components. Sizzle not steak as Rish mentioned. I'm not saying that's all it is with your product, it does sound like there's more to it, but a large part of the ticket price at this level is based on faith.

A desperate teenager on her period will demand their parents buy them Neurofen branded 'Period Pain Relief' as nothing else will do. The science confirms that if people believe it's better, it actually will be better. (It helps if there are some objective measures by which it actually is better but beyond a certain price point those are rare and don't last long unless legally protected. Aesthetics and branding can play a key role there).

Part of that experience will be complete capitulation to the demands of someone who should be the most important person in the world at that time. They need to know that somebody cares and that they care more about giving them what they 'need' than having an argument about why they might be better off with something else, and that all contributes to the positive end user experience.


Similar rationale puts the same system names on the riders of festivals, concerts etc over and over. In that case, the band (or stage manager/festival promoter) takes that 'most important person' position, and what they want is what they will get. Familiarity for the sound engineer is a huge part of it as well so that's a large barrier of entry unless you already have a substantial or emergent following among active sound techs who regularly secure major gigs.
(The audience may know nothing about the system, but if the band/DJ knows they're performing on the best they'll believe their performance will sound better than average and that'll all feed back into a better performance and better experience for everyone. So it's not that the gear isn't worth the money it's just the reason for the value is complex and very situation dependent.) As with the Neurofen period pain, the sensation of care is critical.

You've got 9,000 Facebook followers for your system, that's nearly 10% of Funktion One so what do I know? Maybe you have what it takes to charge that price and it certainly sounds like you've pulled out all the stops to be at the leading edge with the tech. Active cooling, torroidal amps? These aren't typical features even in high end active boxes, so more power to you.

If you can afford 4 grand for a speaker you can probably afford 6, and it doesn't get much more expensive than that for a box like this, so it'll really need to be the best of the best, and maybe it is, but in that case it certainly deserves to be dressed like it. Right now it looks like a prototype. The logo is particularly egregious I think that's a stock vector from the Photoshop 'Shape' tool.

Edit: Oops, that was supposed to be a summary but it turned into a full length post by mistake.





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Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 12:08am
Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

it really makes absolutely no difference if you know the make of driver or not.

It will only give miss conceptions by biased views.


I thought this topic is giving missconceptions by biased views


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 1:02am
Dear Hemisphere,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
In return the least I can do is write back with my take on it.

I appreciate your points are valid, however I’ve given the market and our product’s possible place in it a lot of consideration.

I accept there are many reasons PA companies and rental houses pay premium prices for products, probably the most significant being that they want a name they feel they can trust and most importantly they want a name that they know their clients will want to work with as their existence depends on clients wanting to use their equipment. For example a friend of mine really doesn’t like F1, but he bought lots of it at vast cost because his clients all recognised it and would want to pay good money to rent it. In that regard I accept we’re not well known enough to tick the box for “rider friendly mainstream pa household name” yet.

However, through our RC1 Sound System we are now well established in certain circles. Not as a mainstream system, but as a specialist high performance system.   Tens of thousands of people in this country know and recognise the RC1 name and logo, and promoters that use us advertise this as a fundamental part of their event’s lineup as they know that if people know RC1 will be there then more people will come to their event. That in itself has commercial value. For example without the mention of a single dj or artist it was announced RC1 would do a soundclash against Void, and that on its own was sufficient to pretty much sell out a show. So, our sound system does have a premium commercial value, but not like L Acoustics or D&B because it is the same as others, but for the opposite reason because it is different.

In an age where everything is becoming standardised and music events are everywhere and becoming more “same-samey” promoters need to find ways of standing out from the other events in order to attract the crowd. An exceptional sound system is a great way of doing that, especially for an event where the crowd appreciates the difference, and RC1 has the name and reputation to be able to tick that box.

So why would someone pay a premium for our speakers as opposed to L Acoustics or D&B? It is for the opposite reason, not because they are the same and rider friendly, but because they are different. If you run a small PA hire in a city and all the top nights use a premium mainstream supplier, then using a rig that absolutely and stunning outperforms the mainstream rigs will soon develop a reputation with music lovers, and promoters will start asking for that instead because they know it will be a valuable attraction to help their events stand out from the mainstream. For a small PA company this could be a very good business plan, or for a larger one adding it to their mainstream kit could help broaden their client base.

Of course for this to work the product really must sound exceptional. That is why they are not cheap, because to achieve this the components must be exceptional too. And of course to be taken seriously in the first place the company making the product must have a reputation for reliability and exceptional speakers, and although not mainstream we do have a high profile and enviable reputation for that. And of course any prospective buyers would also want to know that people could immediately identify that they had bought an exciting and exceptional product, and there is no doubt that being from the same shed as the legendary RC1 immediately adds street cred to an otherwise at this stage unknown system.

So, I feel there is a good business argument to justify someone building a business plan around choosing and buying these speakers, but not for exactly the same reasons as why they might choose a premium mainstream system.

Regarding appearance, the boxes we have been demonstrating are actually the original prototypes and the finish on the final sale cabs is better, including handles recessed/routed in better, etc. They will be as good as a pro audio box.

I appreciate the stainless steel grills and orange logos don’t look typically “pro audio”, but if people are going to invest in these for the reason that they are exceptional and different then they really must look different as well. Perhaps the orange logo isn’t too elegant, but tens of thousands of people in the UK will recognise it and appreciate the affiliation to the RC1, which has commercial value to the buyers of the speakers. We have reduced the logo size from the RC1 to make it more subtle. From our point of view the logo doesn’t need to be there at all, so if a buyer didn’t like it we could do it in a more subtle colour, or not at all. That’s the advantage of small scale hand built manufacturing, you can easily customise to a buyer’s requirements.

That’s my thoughts on the subject. I don’t know how many we will or won’t sell, I’m not intending them to be a mainstream product, but I do know we’ve created something exceptional and any PA company that buys them will definitely shine out as different for all the right reasons whenever they use them. We’ll see!


Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 1:24am
i've never heard your stuff, but the reputation you've gained is impressive. i'd love to hear the active stuff.. if you're planning to demo it again, i guess do it midweek.. all the operators your talking about worth your attention should be busy on friday and saturday nights.

best of luck with it. (i'd really love to hear it.)


Posted By: cookie-dj
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 1:29am
great work on the sonic abilities of the cabs, i would expect second to non sound quality from RC1. As previously said, I bet these would outperform many big brands.

However i think the biggest thing about the look of the cabs is the grill... personally i think if someone is paying £3k per cab then i would be expecting something along the lines of a grill with solid metal edges, perforated/laser cut to a funky design in the middle with a laser cut/embossed logo.

something like this maybe?  still has the raw metal look but just looks way more polished and pro

For me personally, If I'm paying a premium, it has to tick all boxes with sound and aesthetics.


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Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 7:21am
Jon don't get me wrong. I love your enthusiasm and interests that you have in what you do. Cheers to you for that and wish all the best on your new venture.
Rish 


Posted By: mancmatt
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 9:12am
I've been reading this thread with great interest.... so thought I'd share some thoughts. Firstly, I am no sound engineer so can't comment on the specs, I am a mechanical engineer by profession so appreciate the skills and knowledge that goes in to this field. My interest is in quality sound, sound that allows you to feel the bass, sound that swallows you up, so you are in it rather than just listening to it. For me, the sound makes or breaks a gig, regardless of the artist, I have seen some top bands / DJ’s and it sound awful - my take away from the night was that it was poor, an average band or DJ where it sounds great makes for a good night, the sound is as much part of the experience as the artist.

Anyway… a few questions / comments relating to the new RC1 system [which I for one can’t wait to hear]:

Can these speakers be flown? or are they intended for ground stacking only. If so, then that in itself dictates the market they'll be operating in, i.e. if can't be flown then they are not designed to compete with the large manufacturers of line arrays which are used on tours of large arenas and the like. This I don’t see as a problem, as Jon points out, I would expect if rental companies take this system then they will use it for specific types of events rather than large arena tours.

Club installs feel like a great market to get in to, as you say - the RC1 name attracts punters, I myself went to a night to hear the RC1 rather than check out the DJ's [and yes, it was more than worth it... I am also planning on doing the same in Leeds in a few months, am hoping it'll be a huge system up there Jon? please ;) ].

I totally agree that it’s not about components and more what you do with them, this is echoed in many many industries from food through to cars and everything else… in general I don’t think people are disagreeing with this, I think the challenge that has been responded to on here is that people will judge based on knowing a certain component before they have heard, that will then prejudice a thought when they do get to hear something. For those few people, you really can’t win in this situation…. that’s not a criticism, that’s just reality. For me, and like many other gig / club goers - we don’t know enough about the components to be able to form an opinion… so will let the sound quality and experience speak for itself, and that is certainly something I am looking forward to hearing.

I totally respect what you are doing Jon and long may it continue.


Posted By: bob4
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 9:53am
Sorry to rock the boat again, can't resist…...

Originally posted by rish rish wrote:

I will give you a good tip in marketing " sell the sizzle, not the steak"

yet you were inquiring about the steak…… Confused

No offense rish, I don't know you personally, and my following comment is not aimed at you in particular. There are real pros on this forum that WILL put their money where their mouth is at. But there are just as much if not more time wasters, a lot of hot air and tire kicking as well. 

Originally posted by <span style=: rgb251, 251, 253; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 21px;>RC1 Sound System</span><span style=line-height: 1.4;> RC1 Sound System wrote:

If anyone is interested in a demo, or discussing the possibility of purchasing, then please drop me a message.

THAT would be the time and place to ask Jon what drivers are inside……. Wink


I personally thought there were some much more interesting points mentioned about these boxes:

Originally posted by <span style=: rgb251, 251, 253; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 21px;>RC1 Sound System</span><span style=line-height: 1.4;> RC1 Sound System wrote:

Both have built in analogue processing including  crossovers, preset eq and dynamic processing/limiters, all my own original circuit designs.
 
Mid/his are bi-amped with traditional MOSFET circuit class AB of 1500W RMS for mid and  http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fc.affil.walmart.com%2Ft%2Fcsebr03%3Fl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.walmart.com%252Fip%252FRockville-RPA5-1000-Watt-Peak-500w-RMS-2-Channel-Power-Amplifier-Pro-DJ-Amp%252F301476226%253Fwmlspartner%253Dbizratecom%2526affcmpid%253D109445142%2526tmode%253D0000%2526veh%253Dcse%26szredirectid%3DSZ_REDIRECT_ID&mid=401&cat_id=11970000&atom=10433&prod_id=&oid=7623926799&pos=1&b_id=18&bid_type=10&bamt=42cebdc0db812186&cobrand=1&ppr=3f443646aeb89335&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=2973&af_id=615103&af_placement_id=1&dv=bdbe9ce8c3b599906b155e4a52b014e4" rel="nofollow - 500W RMS  for tops driving 15 inch + 1.4 inch  http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2FB00U3R6DXS%2Fref%3Dasc_df_B00U3R6DXS5288365%3Fsmid%3DA2OIDKWPQ0RK6I%26tag%3Dshopz0d-20%26ascsubtag%3Dshopzilla_mp_1171-20%3BSZ_REDIRECT_ID%26linkCode%3Ddf0%26creative%3D395105%26creativeASIN%3DB00U3R6DXS&mid=184059&cat_id=11560000&atom=10398&prod_id=&oid=6385830003&pos=1&b_id=18&bid_type=4&bamt=823abe7ec9c4bc8a&cobrand=1&ppr=3bdbadfceef2c00d&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=2973&af_id=615103&af_placement_id=1&dv=bdbe9ce8c3b599906b155e4a52b014e4" rel="nofollow - compression driver  with active fan + fluid cooling

Bass bins have my own original designed Bipolar class B bass amplifier of 2000W RMS, (...) without emitter resistors to minimise natural output impedance for ultimate heavyweight current dumping. (...)  fan cooled driver of approx 22 inches diameter.(...)  

but…….

(disclaimer: these are just my personal opinions, no more, no less, take it with a grain of salt Smile)



Originally posted by Hemisphere Hemisphere wrote:

Right now it looks like a prototype. The logo is particularly egregious 

+1

Are those prototype boxes? Are the actual production units going to have the exact same finish?


Jon, I can see the point that you have created the whole box, down to the logo, and you're proud of that. But in my opinion that logo is just horribly hideous, sorry. You should get a professional designer to do a proper one, and redo the spec sheet. Good, professional looking promo material and logo are priceless !!

Venue owners and other businessmen will not "get" your aesthetic message. They look at the state of the art commercial stuff. Then they look at your top, and see a trap box that looks like it was made in 1985…. Ouch  

I understand the reasoning behind your choices, but even as a non-business person I have to say the looks are not appealing at all. And regardless of your big following, a lot of people care about the looks very much!The Industrial/oldschool/DIY/freeparty aesthetics will inevitably cause great prejudice against your (supposedly) very high quality and performance product. Why shoot yourself (or your business) in the leg? 

Originally posted by cookie-dj cookie-dj wrote:

 something like this maybe?  still has the raw metal look but just looks way more polished and pro

For me personally, If I'm paying a premium, it has to tick all boxes with sound and aesthetics.

Have to agree…… Why not let your product shine, and project the high performance, premium quality in it's outward appearance as well? 

By the way, why is it just "RC Audio", not "RC1 Audio"? What's the  story behind that?
 

Anyway, good luck with your business Jon! Except for my aesthetic gripes, I'm very intrigued with your products. Sadly I will probably not have an opportunity to experience them in a long time, if ever.. Cry


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 10:40am
Personally I feel they are good value! Speakers I've heard of a similar sound quality cost at least the same if not more...I'd be more than happy to buy the prototype just b3cause of the quality and volume of sound. I appreciate they are not the prettiest boxes but I'd still be more than happy to play out with them anytime


Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 11:19am
the grills look like thev been tacked on with drawing pins,..as mentioned,,i bet they sound sweet,,propa a/b analog amps,,high power drivers all crossed at ther optimum,,but even black grills & screws would look better to hide any screws bend in grills etc,,but these are the proto types & like you say you could possibly change the colour on order,..but defo need to get to change them grills,.bet they sound sweet tho Nuke


Posted By: midas
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 11:52am
I take it active cooling refers to water cooling like in computers rather than a whopping strong fan that will interrupt with a drivers performance.

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Posted By: bob4
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 11:58am
It says fluid cooling.... I remember a crazy german guy with a fully flh system, he used active fluid cooling, with pumps, pipes n all.....


Posted By: mojofilters
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 11:10am
Whilst I'm not especially familiar with this name, I've enjoyed reading about interesting innovative British PA solutions in this thread.

Obviously I haven't heard these specific boxes, but it seems the SPL quoted combined with the high sound quality - would perhaps put this box in competition with the similarly compact KV2 ES system.

Looking at the price from that perspective, £3,000 per box appears to be rather good value.

Good luck with the new product, I hope I get a chance to hear it one day!


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 11:30am
They will be powering Bristech at Lacota this weekend.


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 11:38am
Originally posted by mojofilters mojofilters wrote:

Whilst I'm not especially familiar with this name, I've enjoyed reading about interesting innovative British PA solutions in this thread.

Obviously I haven't heard these specific boxes, but it seems the SPL quoted combined with the high sound quality - would perhaps put this box in competition with the similarly compact KV2 ES system.

Looking at the price from that perspective, £3,000 per box appears to be rather good value.

Good luck with the new product, I hope I get a chance to hear it one day!



much as i love the ES system, it does sound nice, its not 'that' loud, and sound quality goes rapidly down hill when you give it some beans. Not heard the RC1, but im not sure thats a fair comparison. They sound like completely different animals to me.



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Posted By: mojofilters
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 11:39am
Originally posted by concept-10 concept-10 wrote:

They will be powering Bristech at Lacota this weekend.


Opposite end of the country for me, unfortunately.

I hope folks are going to report back, for the benefit of those unable to attend.


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

Originally posted by mojofilters mojofilters wrote:

Whilst I'm not especially familiar with this name, I've enjoyed reading about interesting innovative British PA solutions in this thread.

Obviously I haven't heard these specific boxes, but it seems the SPL quoted combined with the high sound quality - would perhaps put this box in competition with the similarly compact KV2 ES system.

Looking at the price from that perspective, £3,000 per box appears to be rather good value.

Good luck with the new product, I hope I get a chance to hear it one day!



much as i love the ES system, it does sound nice, its not 'that' loud, and sound quality goes rapidly down hill when you give it some beans. Not heard the RC1, but im not sure thats a fair comparison. They sound like completely different animals to me.



These do sound very good at high volume, I have not heard the quality drop off.


Posted By: rish
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by concept-10 concept-10 wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

Originally posted by mojofilters mojofilters wrote:

Whilst I'm not especially familiar with this name, I've enjoyed reading about interesting innovative British PA solutions in this thread.

Obviously I haven't heard these specific boxes, but it seems the SPL quoted combined with the high sound quality - would perhaps put this box in competition with the similarly compact KV2 ES system.

Looking at the price from that perspective, £3,000 per box appears to be rather good value.

Good luck with the new product, I hope I get a chance to hear it one day!



much as i love the ES system, it does sound nice, its not 'that' loud, and sound quality goes rapidly down hill when you give it some beans. Not heard the RC1, but im not sure thats a fair comparison. They sound like completely different animals to me.



These do sound very good at high volume, I have not heard the quality drop off.
 
I have heard the KV2 at Mediatech in South Africa and it was one of the best sounding systems there. even at high volume it was good.
 
Rish


Posted By: mojofilters
Date Posted: 15 January 2018 at 1:03pm
I was surprised at the criticism of ES too. We have a few KV2 rigs locally, all of which sound excellent - even when pushed.

The only problem I see with an ES system is the high price!


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 17 January 2018 at 12:34pm
As mentioned above we're powering the Bris-Tek room in "Coroners Court" at Lakota in Bristol this Friday with some of the active bins & tops if anyone would like to come and hear them in action.
A preview/private listening/testing may be possible before the actual event starts, for more info please feel free to drop me a message Smile


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 17 January 2018 at 3:49pm
I'll be there!


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 17 January 2018 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by Old king coles Old king coles wrote:

I'll be there!


I thought you might


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 17 January 2018 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by concept-10 concept-10 wrote:

Originally posted by Old king coles Old king coles wrote:

I'll be there!


I thought you might


What can I say lol, be good to say hello again


Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 21 January 2018 at 3:15pm
Well the guys at RC1 pulled it right out of the bag Friday night! Huge clear sound...Big ups


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 11 July 2018 at 4:52pm
In case anyone is interested I just posted some more info on our active bass speakers at http://www.rc1.audio/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/UNIBASS-Intro1a.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.rc1.audio/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/UNIBASS-Intro1a.pdf


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 11 July 2018 at 7:29pm
any measurements available? 


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 1:38pm
We're holding a London (Peckham) Demo Evening on Tuesday 5th March if anyone would like to come and meet us and have a closer look and listen to some of our unique products.
Bring your own music if there's anything you would specifically like to try out!
 
Event is from 18:00 to 21:00.  Drop me a line if you would like to come down and I'll add you to the guest list.  My email is mailto:jon@rc1.audio" rel="nofollow -
 



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