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Topic: SAE PCM20 instead fp14000 Lab clones
Posted By: sgarfa
Subject: SAE PCM20 instead fp14000 Lab clones
Date Posted: 08 January 2018 at 2:47pm
fast question, to drive 3000w @ 4 ohm per side ..it's enough the PCM20....for now I use the sanway fp14000 (2017), no problem, but I'm always scared of not finishing the party
In eu where these sae can be found



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Posted By: DMorison
Date Posted: 09 January 2018 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by sgarfa sgarfa wrote:

fast question, to drive 3000w @ 4 ohm per side ..it's enough the PCM20....for now I use the sanway fp14000 (2017), no problem, but I'm always scared of not finishing the party
In eu where these sae can be found

In the UK, http://www.elements-audio.com/" rel="nofollow - Elements Audio .
Forum member Bee, who runs Elements, has posted that he's waiting on new product arriving IIRC.


Posted By: sgarfa
Date Posted: 09 January 2018 at 2:08pm
thanks very kind ...



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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 09 January 2018 at 4:01pm
Yes, a 2x4800W at 4 ohm per channel. 2.66 omh stable.



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Posted By: sgarfa
Date Posted: 10 January 2018 at 7:42am
why they are so sub-declared?

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Posted By: osse
Date Posted: 10 January 2018 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Yes, a 2x4800W at 4 ohm per channel. 2.66 omh stable.



Really? The company declares 2x3500kw at 4 ohms, are they that much more powerful?

Their declared specs of the pxm 1450 are very close to the measured tests of abeltronics, if it's the same (cannot see why not) with the pcm20 it's already very potent.

With about 3.8kw @ 2.6 ohm you could throw three 21" b&c drivers each side and probably give them a good beating as long as the psu doesn't crappy out and on a 32A feed

Have you tried the amp? I've got a pxm and have trust in their products


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 10 January 2018 at 3:44pm
Osse, the figures are as true as specced, yes the new amps do boast some big figures, and pfc on some models. full details will be announced soon... (with in 2 weeks)

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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 10 January 2018 at 5:24pm
The new amp is not SAE made, but from the same engineer that opened his own production. So you wont find it on the SAE site.
PQM13 replacement too and few other amps are also coming.
SAE is more or less a dead horse now due to their completely unreasonable work policy and the quality seems to go down with every new generation of amps.


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Posted By: osse
Date Posted: 10 January 2018 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:


Osse, the figures are as true as specced, yes the new amps do boast some big figures, and pfc on some models. full details will be announced soon... (with in 2 weeks)


Exciting to see the new products in 2 weeks :)


Posted By: unclejam
Date Posted: 11 January 2018 at 2:05am
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

The new amp is not SAE made, but from the same engineer that opened his own production. So you wont find it on the SAE site.
PQM13 replacement too and few other amps are also coming.
SAE is more or less a dead horse now due to their completely unreasonable work policy and the quality seems to go down with every new generation of amps.

Care to explain and or post some links?



Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 11 January 2018 at 10:19pm
Originally posted by unclejam unclejam wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

The new amp is not SAE made, but from the same engineer that opened his own production. So you wont find it on the SAE site.
PQM13 replacement too and few other amps are also coming.
SAE is more or less a dead horse now due to their completely unreasonable work policy and the quality seems to go down with every new generation of amps.

Care to explain and or post some links?

 
details will be available shortly...
 
but as Marjan has said, its the same design team, and sales, customer service team, infact alot of the sae staff lol... Sadly like alot of companys Sae have taken big short cuts in the current range, and are asking for order quantitys that are very unrealistic. Even if i placed my years worth of sale and marjans we still would be short on ther stupid minimum qty... pure crazy stuff going on... But the new range is a massive upgrade in quality and does offer even bigger amps in the light weight and transformer range..
 


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Posted By: unclejam
Date Posted: 12 January 2018 at 9:28am
Awesome, any chance they'll have something that's a little friendlier on the compression driver side of life too? Having 800 rms on a 2 inch cd seems a bit silly.



Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 12 January 2018 at 10:15am
Originally posted by unclejam unclejam wrote:

Awesome, any chance they'll have something that's a little friendlier on the compression driver side of life too? Having 800 rms on a 2 inch cd seems a bit silly.

 
head room is allways good....Embarrassed


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Posted By: dnbpc
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 10:25am
Is there any more news on these new amps? 


Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 10:38am
I have a sample of one of the new 4 channel amps here, its very similar to a PQM13, PM me :)

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Posted By: freddymendez
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 10:39am
What are the specs? PFC?

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Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 10:45am
No PFC unfortunately, specs are the same as / very close to the PQM13.  Its essentially the same amp.  

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

No PFC unfortunately, specs are the same as / very close to the PQM13.  Its essentially the same amp.  


Superior components, smoothing, transformer shield, wiring, real Neutrik connectors ?

The very best FP clones, usually come with 16A IEC.


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Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 3:29pm
Yes components are all from good brands, transformer cover is good and noise is low, same as pqm13.  Wiring all cable tied in place with protection to stop it rubbing on the chassis, yes Neutrik Speakons, it has a captive lead and a 30A breaker, ive never seen a FP clone with an IEC i dont think?  Have you got a link to one?  Seen some with powercons but most have a captive lead...

I will most likely import a batch in a few months time.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 6:27pm
We might have them in Frankfurt, but not 100% sure yet.



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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 30 January 2018 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

Yive never seen a FP clone with an IEC i dont think?  Have you got a link to one?  Seen some with powercons but most have a captive lead...






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Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 30 January 2018 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

I have a sample of one of the new 4 channel amps here, its very similar to a PQM13, PM me :)


Do you know what price the 4 channel will come out at?

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Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 3:56pm
Ahh yeah ive seen that one before, im not sure who makes it though.

djkeet probably best to email me.  james@soundgear.co.uk


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