Subwoofer for reggae/rave sound system
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Topic: Subwoofer for reggae/rave sound system
Posted By: Jony_850
Subject: Subwoofer for reggae/rave sound system
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 7:08am
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Hello everyone. I need advice on a subwoofer for our system. A couple of years ago, we started to create a sound system. In these years we have learned a lot and we have been realizing all the mistakes we have made and we want to redo it whole. Our ideas is to go to 4 ways, I know that it is easier the 3 ways, but we want to take advantage of some of the material we have. When we started we built 4 subs 48 of Billfiztmaurice equipped with eminence 3015lf, sound good but at low frequencies do not yield enough, I think the first mistake was to use a 15 for a sub and the second that we do not use plywood. This is our sound.  We would like to substitute the titan 48 for another sub 18” (1 way) and use the 3015lf to make 2 box 2x15 bass reflex (2 way) and when we can replace the Das for other midtop and other hightop (3 and 4 way) We do not know which sub choose, SBH, Invaders, Th118, hog or 2x18 ... we see a lot but never hear. Some has spl charts bad is difficult compare. In faq section i read that scoops not is a good choice better folded horn... i was reading the forum a lot last week, but I dont know what to do We put reggae, dub, jungle, dnb, neuro, trance, tekno ... and we’ll but new drivers and amps. Any advice is good recibed. 
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Posted By: RiddimKid
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 11:07am
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Scoops scoops scoops and more scoops lol Loads of designs online, four superscoops from this forum would probably be good enough for what you need |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 12:04pm
Yes. Would also sell the Eminence drivers, and get something better in your budget. Then you can be advised on best Scoops, for your drivers. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
RiddimKid wrote:Posted By: Jony_850
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 4:19pm
Thanks for your answer But what about that? Super scoop is the best choice I always hear that is an old desing with many problems. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 4:30pm
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I know too many Reggae Sound Systems, who started out with Folded Horns, got rid, now have Scoops. For other Music, yep, Folded horns are great, but for Roots Reggae, they will never sound as good as Scoops, in 2-3x stacks of 4x, 38-80hz. Listen to people who go to Reggae dances regular, or own Scoops..  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Jony_850
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 7:33pm
The problem is we put other kind of music like tekno, psytrance, hardtek, dnb,neuro, tribe... aparte of reggae roots and dub. I like scoops but I’m worried about for other kind of music. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 9:23pm
not sure lev I agree, in the past few years ive seen just as many sounds move from scoops to folded horns and traditional reflex designs. Any design cab play reggae, roots dub, what counts is can you tune your rig to get it to play in a way that your happy with. But based on your not getting what you want from your horns, then maybe scoops is the way to go. ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 9:42pm
I'm not saying Folded horns are never better than Scoops.. But I think it's an established fact, for gigs where DJs are playing, (NOT LIVE), most Folded Horns just don't do much below 50hz... I recently went to Reggae gig, where there were 2x stacks of 6x 21" Folded horns, powered by K20 per stack, and yes, everything in sight was being devastated by 55hz plus, but that is not a desirable way of listening to Roots Reggae. I've heard 2x stacks of 4x 1850horns/186Horns, SBH. Always the same as the above, struggle to do lower than 50hz. Meanwhile, 2x Stacks of 4x SteveBs, Fane Scoops, ASS, Wattco, effortless notes downto 40hz. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Jony_850
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 6:58am
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I’agree with all of you, i hear a lot of dub and reggae sound system and sound powerfull down 40hz, but I think the sound lose details, with titan 48 the sound is clear but dont have power in low frecuencies, is true that they has 15 inch driver and it cant to move the air than 18 inch driver. Folded like for clear, rear loaded or similar for loudest. What about for hog or danley th118? |
Posted By: Aman Gebru
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 11:28am
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The best kind of sub for reggae and dub is the karlson slot, followed by reflexsluz. Scoop is perfect for lazy sound boy who don't wanna have the headache of thinking about somethink different.  |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 3:46pm
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Was long time thinking of making 21" version of Martin WSX, but when I heard 12 21" Folded horns, pretty much fail to hit below 50hz with SPL, I decided not to. Some people happy with Folded Horns playing Reggae, but I can guarantee it's not the dub crowd, who absolutely, definitely want to hear 40hz with huge SPL, as opposed to 55hz. EDIT:Won't even mention the Dub Reflex crew, who want huge SPL, at 30hz!!!  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 6:57pm
| You can easily get below 50hz with a 21” FLH, it just has to be huge. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 7:37pm
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Lumping all scoops into the same category isn't right. Small chamber scoop, faster tighter bass, large chamber, slower, less definition.... ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 11:42am
 Also, correctly matching Scoop throat to driver, fundamentally effects Scoop "throw"... ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 12:33pm
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Well its all crucial tbh, from chamber to throat to horn path to mouth....with scoops ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 2:39pm
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So maybe the OP should check a small chamber scoop or, dare I say it, a hog for the edm part of what gets played. If somebody auditions a large chamber scoop, it'll put him off scoops forever! Lol ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 2:46pm
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I do know someone with a couple of hogs who plays a wider range of music than strictly Dub/Reggae and as an all rounder, sounds good but if just for exclusively Dub/Reggae, traditional scoop all day. ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: SouthwestCNC
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 3:24pm
| How well do ms118's sit in the reggae/dub scene these days? |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 3:42pm
Dub scene is quite different from just typical Reggae Scene. There are a small group of 18" drivers, that will regularly take the beating, and for optimum performance, they need cabs optimised for them. For Reggae/Rave sound system, 4x subs, cheapest solution would probably be 18" Superscoopers, loaded with V18-1000, and quality sub amps, capable of real 2400wpc @ 4 ohms. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: SouthwestCNC
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 3:55pm
This begs the question what are the miniscoops useful for? |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 4:03pm
Not sure. The best miniscoops out there currently, are Shortman/Marvin/QSS. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 6:12pm
not good for anything....so everyone sell me your shortman or marvin mini scoops now!!  ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 6:51pm
 ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 02 February 2018 at 7:04pm
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i personally quite liked Ballistic Rootikals shortman minis at "the soundclash" at Golden Palace in 2013/14?.. not the loudest cabs that night/in general but really nice and warm solid basslines compared to the others.. if i remember rog and theorie correctly - most minis are rather expo port reflex than real scoops as the hornpath is simply too short to act/work as a proper, low tuned, horn part but done right they are well working/non chuffing reflex cabs at least, guess the main issue is getting the driver/chamber matched to the desired tone and spl.. Higher qts drivers in larger chambers will sound warmer and do more low notes more efficiently by nature, yet need a strong suspension and force(b/l) to stay under control at large signals, those shortmans for example did sound rough/at the edge of loosing control at times but thats the price you pay for that sort of sound imo.. if you know about it and are able to stay within limits - all good.. (i personally swapped drivers in my sub cabs for some more robust ones for example, lost some tiny bit of lowend but gained so much more spl and impact that its been worth it, note, same amps used so basically pretty much the same power provided..) lower qts and smaller chamber using "real horn loading, higher tuning" is what is mostly prefered though, at least in most reggea/Dub soundsystems aifaik, for sheer spl/brute force, nowhere near the warmth or real depth/low notes but much louder 40/45ish hz up., for me a typical "hooligan" sound setup, you can tear almost any 300cap place apart with 4 cabs but its not really pleasant imo, not long therm.. nor really safe technically, mismatched driver and tuning/chamber could lead to dead coils quickly playing sine waves at the centre cab+driver tuning/least cone movement+eq and too much power.. its harder to hear the actual point of overdoing it imo, all seems fine till the coil gives up.. thats the price you might pay for that sort of sound on the other hand.. :) |
Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 10:07am
Yes it was 5/6 Jan 2014 'SoundSystem Sound off' a David and Goliath situation where people didn't even hide their shame lol but were openly measuring the 'Shortmans' with their hands, people could not believe what was happening we all chat till the cows come home, some swear Black is Blue but you cant beat real world stuff.  ------------- Soundbite |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 11:23am
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'only 4 drivers ' on bass ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 12:22pm
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Were never on the edge they were hardly moving. Joker sp comments as usual. If u were at the southall amp test u wud have seen just how much the driver cud move in the cab and how much air it cud push out. Gp were moving maybe half as much as that. I have to laugh. Only thing on the edge were the 1050w per channel amps used especially with gains not opened full. But sufficed enough to not need turning up more as they proved themselves. Hence not plugging them into the inf8 that was sitting there lol. If in doubt bring a sound out and book the date. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 1:55pm
ass jr is up them 3 easyly,..defo think its a perfect scoop for the bc sw driver,.
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 2:00pm
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Well it wasnt the 3 times he brought them to gp, or the southend demo, or when southend crew played them in dub bunker. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 2:01pm
king earthquake is well heavy weight with folded horns so they can drop lower than the 55hz you mentioned,,& 2 em quakes will drop lower than 2 scoops without breakin a sweat,.tryd & tested,,but i do still prefere scoops for that natural roll..
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 2:38pm
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Let's agree, people have different ideas of "well heavy". Some people think uber amounts of 55hz is well heavy, and uber amounts of 40hz, is wobbly bass. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 3:08pm
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55hz is too high for disco ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 3:16pm
Buy the wrong bass amp, and that's where all your energy will be, unless you want to barbeque amp!! ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 3:50pm
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Iration Steppers souded heavy last night, using Cutty's desgn. Not scoops though. I think some hybrid band pass. Was doing the bizzness..... A friend I was there with was impressed by the punch of kick drum, me the low end weight, so best of both worlds. Çould easily see them good with many genre's of music. ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 4:35pm
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I wasnt there but ao far have only heard pure 60hz pressure fr9m that sound using them. So backs up levs point qbout one mans heavy isnt the same as another. The othet crew usin them crazy 50hz pressure. Goes down to 40 but only pressure at the higher 50 when they play. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 4:46pm
Hz meter at the ready heh? I was there and definitely heard tunes with bottom E being played. ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 5:03pm
All I know is that King Earthquake was out played by Ballistic and Kilowatt in the low freq department @ ONEDUB {Venue BOXXED}End of year special Dec 2K13 at that time I think Ballistic were using SB's and Shortmans sometimes you only can tell when a sound is side by side with another. Some brilliant sessions in those times 2K11-2K15(Just my opinion) ------------- Soundbite |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 5:21pm
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that was a gd session keith pure vibes. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 5:46pm
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i tried booking mark for this year march-may but he was busy all the dates i gave. Maybe towards the end of the year it will happen. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 7:20pm
i know feedback & other issues didnt go down to well as ive saw before,,.but they way i play mine shacks down the place,.he just needed the right tunes & a mostec pre :) & tordail amps,..2 key players missing ther in my books,...,,that driver is smooth & heavy on basslines in that box,..would put 4 against any minis on rd..
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 8:17pm
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Tore big places with mine on matrix. So cant use amps as an excuse. Southall amp test in decent size sports hall 1 smini covered the whole hall very nice off of a matrix. And that was after hours of listening to 4 1850 steveb scoops and 4 tmax1500 marvin scoops. So if anything it would have sound quiet but it didnt. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 8:22pm
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Smini marvin midi have both proved themselves against bigboy cabs and certified operators. The rx jnr needs to do the same before people put it in the same ranking. Every tom dick and harry makee gd quality over brqced cabs so that alone doest automatically qualify a cab. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 8:31pm
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As with any debate involving scoob bins, it's totally lost the original op's question. What is the best all round cab for a variety of music incorporating but not exclusively Dub/Reggae? Fair question really. ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 8:52pm
The reason for this is that the topic as been covered and Jony should be able to glean thats its a folded horn (He came to that conclusion already)or a reflex ------------- Soundbite |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 9:31pm
That would be reflex 2x18. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 9:49pm
Yep------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 10:33pm
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Original question wasnt best all round bass cab. He was asking for a subwoofer and said they will use reflex bass on top of it. So if thats the case id choose a scoop. None in the list though. Rather buy used steveb, shortman, marvin, qss, humm audio, lev.44. If you need a hard kick load the reflex with PD.1550 ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 9:27am
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what dont you like about the ass minis luton if you dont mind me askin,, weight? spl? throw ? or just dont like ass in general ?.. ive gathered like you dont like the brand much from your posts so just askin ,.
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Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 11:32am
Even IF Jony got a Martin WSX/S218 2nd hand or something similar also could consider 2X21  ------------- Soundbite |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 12:16pm
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 1:57pm
I used to own shed loads of it. Bs600s bs1200s midtops. Every time ive heard the rx jnrs they didnt impress. Ive never used them to give a review all i can say is when ive heard them multiple times they wernt saying nothing. And the B&Cs have a history or burning coils easy. I like some stuff of the brand as i owned loads of it in the past. What i dont like is how tony rubbished almost every other scoop builder on here for years. You never saw ultimate or shortman or steveb on here puttin everyone dwn and accusin everyone of copying their boxes. Thats why i happily buried him at gp. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 2:00pm
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Tested bnc big 21 last year and was buckling easy. 18sound just kept going and sounded better. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 5:45pm
fair anuf luton,.hope my b&c holds out now yuve sed that not trouble as yet with um but hardley pump um propa so ther in no danger,.ther a lot stronger than 1850s tho 
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 04 February 2018 at 7:59pm
i should hope so...seeing as they put 1700w on the box  ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 8:15am
| what drivers ya got in your minis?..am they shortman minis? |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 9:48am
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Combination of pd, fane and tmax. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 10:37am
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ok,.nice 1 luton,.
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 10:42am
Which B&C 21" was this, was it the 21DS115 !? ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 8:01am
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just wondering which b&c's have a history ov being burned up?..them sw's are tuff tuff tuff,.i heard you blowed a few drivers recently,.wha was they? |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 12:11pm
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Sw range. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 12:14pm
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Last time i blew a driver was channel one jah youth dance years ago. So dunno who you been chattin to lol funny guy. I bought 3 blown drivers and got roy to recone them recently maybe thats what u mean. But if u wana get funny book a hall and dun the talk. I havnt spoke about you and what u done or havnt done but as u wana go thete book a hall and bring ur sound out. Forget the long talk. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 4:18pm
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lol..dont take it the wrong way mate,.alls gud in sound land,..but you would kill me set wise,,but if it was just 4 scoop dance i would go for it
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Posted By: BASSHORSE
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 4:21pm
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i dont know were it was think it was facebook link somewere,,it was due to a bad recorded tune i think,.just wondered what driver it was,..as i reckon the sw is tuffer,..but rmj is top notch asell,,nufff resept for his recones,,
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Posted By: Jony_850
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 9:07pm
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Thanks for all help Received. But try forget reggae and dub, now the plan is make 6 cabs or 8 but probarbly 6. For my experience I prefer tapped or folded, scoop isn’t clearly, for me. Works really great with dub but other generes with more details in the basslines like psytrance for me it isnt good. What about for startec sbh or invaders? Or going for tapped horns like danley th118? |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 9:29pm
If you really want to scare other crews (and your own crew on load in and out!) then the TH221 is the fella you want to be looking at… there'll be a lot less chat about what scoop really does 35Hz then
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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 9:48pm
Somebody, at some point, will remind you that tunes win clahes not tthe size of your........... But maybe in your scene, tunes are second to the size of your........ Lol I have, to.my entertainment, seen sounds with large bits........... Get mash up by dedicated selector With tunes to RUN....... ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 07 February 2018 at 9:49pm
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lol ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 08 February 2018 at 11:22am
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Dont care what any man think teell yu supm man sick to death of our Roots reggae dances friggin empty, also to add does not matter at hows the heavyist ect ect, nuff sounds on the scene now were near power levels of some sounds out there who create fun/ best vybz , yes we all love sub to death, but it dont cut it if no ones inn the dance ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 08 February 2018 at 12:23pm
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No one was talking about any roots dances only you? This was a discussion about boxes and speakers for a member asking a question. I was then asked by another member why i dont like the cab and driver he has. I never verbally attacked him and what he uses. I dont care what anyone uses. He asked me why i didnt list his equipment so i answered him. Nothing in there about heaviest and roots scene or anything but you are probably getting your knickers in a twist because hes your friend. I suggest you Re-read the thread back. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: Mikkel
Date Posted: 08 February 2018 at 3:20pm
Hey mate. I think tapped horns sound like a good compromise between fast clean response and the low notes. Although that said another option could be a bandpass/kick bin combo like x1 and es18. may be a bit easier build too compared to a tapped horn but i dunno if thats an issue for you. Hope that helps. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 09 February 2018 at 2:21pm
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Easy Luton , i have no problem wid ya man truss, like it sum gang yu ting, not my style bro my bad correct, but most treads allway get diverted as we kno ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |