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Topic: Little or large
Posted By: nickyburnell
Subject: Little or large
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:16pm
OK folks, answers from Reggae guys most appreciated but the cabs not going to be used in that scene.

 I have 4 XB''s here and want them to go under 4 x 15 reflex.  I have never owned a full scoop so actually want to build one. I have plans, done research, not  a problem

 My question is a simple one, having built and owned many minis how much more output 35/80 in a group of four are full scoops going to give me over minis? Is it worth the wood? Remember, Fane XB, no other driver and it's a hobby not the world cup sound system.

Thank you


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:28pm
Let me simplify it for you..

If the minis/Scoops are not gonna be used in Reggae scene, then no need for mini's or Scoops.

Just slap the XBs in 2x Gsubs, and be very happy, with 30hz-200hz, for every Genre.

Point of Mini Scoops/Scoops, is 1x 1x18 cab giving the same Spl as a 2x18, 40hz up.

And as Robert Newsham said, Scoop SPL is not all distortion..

Wink


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:41pm
You missed the hobby word Ray, also there is a hell of a lot of, "reggae like" sub in other genres now.

Just wanted the expected difference in SPL over the many minis I have had? C'mon, spill the beans :)



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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:51pm
Ahha, Aman has covered this.

Job done

https://forum.speakerplans.com/mini-scoops-reality-check_topic97442_page2.html" rel="nofollow - https://forum.speakerplans.com/mini-scoops-reality-check_topic97442_page2.html




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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Let me simplify it for you..

If the minis/Scoops are not gonna be used in Reggae scene, then no need for mini's or Scoops.




true statement Big smile


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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:04pm
it all depends on the design/s. I would say buy my shortman full scoops  im selling and u will get some serious lows but you're wanting to build. Go for wide eminence scoop with corner angle 'deflectors'/braces' and u will notice alot more spl down low compared to most minis on the market

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

You missed the hobby word Ray, also there is a hell of a lot of, "reggae like" sub in other genres now.

Just wanted the expected difference in SPL over the many minis I have had? C'mon, spill the beans :)



All the free mini designs are "not bad"..

The mini scoops related to/derived from  Shortman mini, with PD1850/V18-1000 and similar drivers, will smoke all the free mini designs, and many other full Scoops.

Hope that answers your questions.

I really think 2x Gsubs is really what you need, for multi genre flexibility.


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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:20pm
I dnt think so. The reflex will have better upper bass but the op has 15 reflex ontop to do that. I used to play lots of genres on my scoops and they did it really well. And filled rooms. The reflex didnt fill anywhere. Edit: and u need twice the drivers and amps!?

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by luton_soundman luton_soundman wrote:

I dnt think so. The reflex will have better upper bass but the op has 15 reflex ontop to do that. I used to play lots of genres on my scoops and they did it really well. And filled rooms. The reflex didnt fill anywhere.


Definitely, Reflex don't do much, unless there are piles and piles of them, or very small venues.
But they do play very low, and go up to 200hz, without much fuss.

The CVA cabs, can be suprising though, with PD1850.

Perfect for some, not my kinda thing, though.


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Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 9:53pm
It doesn't make sense to have reflex above scoops




Sealed or horn loaded yer


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by RUS RUS wrote:

It doesn't make sense to have reflex above scoops




Sealed or horn loaded yer


People who don't know what they are talking about, shouldn't post in SF.


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Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 10:20pm
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Posted By: RUS
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by RUS RUS wrote:

It doesn't make sense to have reflex above scoops




Sealed or horn loaded yer


People who don't know what they are talking about, shouldn't post in SF.


Why would you want a box that will go down that low above a scoop ?



Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 10:23pm
The problem with Eminence wardrobe is, and I KNOW this, is the odd narrow door way, and vans. I would consider the super scoop. Sounds good with xb as driver.

I can feel the fire coming lol.........


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

The problem with Eminence wardrobe is, and I KNOW this, is the odd narrow door way, and vans. I would consider the super scoop. Sounds good with xb as driver.

I can feel the fire coming lol.........


Eminence waldrobe, is for no compromise, Mad Max people, like Kilowatts..

Only the real Scoopists understand these things..

Not the armchair experts who love chat in Scoop Forum, but never go Reggae dance...


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:03pm
Idiot.

I own both. Got nothing to prove to you.


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Idiot.

I own both. Got nothing to prove to you.





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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:16pm
Op asked what cabs for xb's. Specifically.
Wardrobes hardly mad Max with xb's.
Once again you miss the point.

Never much positivity from you now. You a riod user?
You come across as one.


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:23pm
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Op asked what cabs for xb's. Specifically.
Wardrobes hardly mad Max with xb's.
Once again you miss the point.

Never much positivity from you now. You a riod user?
You come across as one.


I requested the formation of the Scoop Forum, for Scoop enthusiasts, and People in the Scoop/Reggae Soundsystem scene, wishing to push Scoop/driver performance to the max, and discuss these things.

Look what the forum has come to now...

Most of the people who post here, either want free plans, don't like Scoops, don't like Reggae, or don't go Reggae Dance.. And don't like being told about it..

Sheesh..


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:33pm


PEACE.




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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 20 March 2018 at 11:48pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

OK folks, answers from Reggae guys most appreciated but the cabs not going to be used in that scene.

 I have 4 XB''s here and want them to go under 4 x 15 reflex.  I have never owned a full scoop so actually want to build one. I have plans, done research, not  a problem

 My question is a simple one, having built and owned many minis how much more output 35/80 in a group of four are full scoops going to give me over minis? Is it worth the wood? Remember, Fane XB, no other driver and it's a hobby not the world cup sound system.

Thank you



Did you really need to start an argument?????? Lol

Supers get my vote for xb's. (From experience)


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 8:02am
Calm down all.

I did not ask for cab design anywhere, I have the design, I can research and read.

I am building some full scoops because it's a hobby and I have never done it. It MAY also be my first proper rebate job (funds for birch allowing)

The 15's have 12 reflex above. Its modular. 12 on own. 12 with 15. 4 x 12 with 4 x 15 etc.  Then as I have never owned one of those impressive looking 4 scoops, four kicks, four mid tops I will build some scoops. Is it so hard to understand this is just for some relaxation and fun?

 The 15 are reflex so they can be used alone in small venues and go to 40. ES18 etc don't do this and small venues do not need horns. Damn scoops might not even ever get used.

 I should have researched the question first (sorry) as Aman answered it in a previous post that I forgot I was involved in.

 Too much anger and insult in this post which really doesn't fit with the ethos of R&C folks.

 Lock it up admin


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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 9:27am
When I lived in Bristol the rig I was part of had 4 Eminence design scoops (no mouth bracing or other mods and made of mdf) loaded with Fane XB. They were really bloody good. We didn't play reggae and they we're still a lot of fun. For 4 XBs 4 scoops is probably the best you can do for sub SPL. If you did them out of birch and with the mouth bracing (I also understand that there is an additional corner reflector which boosts performance) then that should certainly give you a whole pile of bass.

Minis look like a lot of fun and I'd like to try some too as I think that'd be the only way a non van owner can really deal with them. A single full scoop fits pretty good in a renault kangoo pretty nice though with the seats down.

If I was doing a full scoop myself then there are 2 very interesting designs around now I'd like to try:
1) would be the polar bear. As I understand most scoops have a nominal 40Hz tuning but the polar bear has more like 30Hz.
2) would be the imperial modified for an 18" driver. It's very big and very uncommon but if it behaves anything like the 15" ones that Rich built then it should play high nicely with the right drivers. There's an interesting post on here with full plans by Lee in Montreal about this one.


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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 9:29am
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Posted By: Meat
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 9:39am
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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 12:44pm
Nothing wrong with the fane scoop too, with a slight mod here n there

yes full blown scoopist i am lmfao


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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 12:47pm
I real realy realy dont know who to give this prized sticker too

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Posted By: Hemisphere
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 1:29pm


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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 2:00pm
Needs a cab photoshopped into background!


Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 2:14pm
LOL



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Posted By: matty w
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 2:14pm
Dad , what's that place in the distance , in the shadows ......... Simba ,that is the scoop forum , u must never go there !! :D

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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 2:15pm
if was me would build emni scoop make 620 wide, then later on if you change from fane to bigger driver it will work on both , add 36mm mouth bracing and internal bracing boooom :) you will be surprised the out put you get from 2 full size scoops compared to "most" minis apart  from the hardcore un free plan ones 

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Posted By: Aman Gebru
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 2:32pm
Could always build the Super 914.

Works great with the Xb.






Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 4:20pm
Oh stop it Mr Gebru. I was going to actually use the SL1200 plans at last! 

Gone a bit quiet but the global horsrep use just went up a few %.  Plenty used scoops about to hit the market, all they need now is some music that actually HAS 31hz.......Coat on

BeerSir

 


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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 5:28pm
uk dub has plenty. Certain producers pre warn you about the freq in some of their tunes and check you can reproduce it first Big smile

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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 21 March 2018 at 6:20pm
Cool thanks

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Posted By: Aman Gebru
Date Posted: 22 March 2018 at 2:11am
Originally posted by Aman Gebru Aman Gebru wrote:

Could always build the Super 914.

Works great with the Xb.


Ha ha, not really.

As some may have speculated, 914 scoop needs PD1850 or V18-1000 or even stronger motor to work. Mush motor like 18 XB will have a massive dip in Pmax at 45Hz and will be down to 220 watts handling around 45Hz. V18-1000 will have no problems with Pmax and will be able to accept 1000 watts from 27Hz and up, all the way though its passband.



Yep you guessed it, black line is V18-1000, red is 18 XB.

The XB just doesn't have a strong enough motor to control all the air in the long horn behind it. Pmax isn't too important and shouldn't be 'the' deciding factor for output SPL, but if what goes in comes out then 1000 watts is going to make more noise than 220 watts, assuming efficiency is similar between both drivers.



Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 22 March 2018 at 7:47am
Well I could see that it would always want a bigger driver, but have to admit wasn't prepared for 220w. Little knowledge etc.  Shame, I was prepared for 500w and would have been happy at that as I have 650ish proper watts for each driver.

 Almost relieved, that's a lot of wood


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Posted By: MINTEVENTRESOURCES
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 7:49pm
Has anyone built and used the Super 914? I am interested in this design any feedback on this one? What does this version sound like and will the Ciare SW18 work well in this box? 

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Posted By: UpComingSound
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 9:03pm
mini scoop easy as 123  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOuofDs7nWk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOuofDs7nWk


Posted By: MINTEVENTRESOURCES
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 9:18pm
Mini Scoop over Full Size???... this will start another war. I just want to know if anyone has really built the Super 914 and how does it perform... Seems you are saying build the mini over the Super 914. 

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 9:32pm
whats the Super 914 scoop , pretty sure not many kno that scoop in the uk

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Posted By: MINTEVENTRESOURCES
Date Posted: 20 September 2018 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

whats the Super 914 scoop , pretty sure not many kno that scoop in the uk


Thoughts?



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