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Topic: Socapex
Posted By: Father-Francis
Subject: Socapex
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 12:38pm
where’s the best place to buy them , need lots of it and mainly 419 if possible 
Thanks in advance 


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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 11:08am
We’ve got a bunch of Sommer’s Hi-Con SOCAPEX and it’s been fine for years of regular use.


Posted By: haymere
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 8:53pm
How many do you need & what is your timescale. I could do you a quote to build them for you.


Posted By: haymere
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 9:12pm
No not at all, every lighting company I know has used them for the last thirty plus years. Even with LED is the only sensible way to get electrics on to trusses without needing a distro


Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

Originally posted by haymere haymere wrote:

No not at all, every lighting company I know has used them for the last thirty plus years. Even with LED is the only sensible way to get electrics on to trusses without needing a distro

Iirc a theater light set controller at my school used one.. I could remember wrong though. The only time I've seen/heard them used outside the army.

Very robust exterior.. very fragile connector pins on the inside. Thick cable, must be a nightmare to service. We had ours usually colour coded with spots to mark the correct alignment. They require a fair amount of power to push together which could damage the pins, I think the insulator is plastic or bakelite; sort of like a field version of COM.

I thought many would use DMX or something for lights.


If you don't know, why don't you ask? Would be far better way to learn something.

Socapex is for power distribution

DMX is a control signal, low voltage.

= Why would DMX use socapex?




Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 10:55pm
Well, despite this opening yet another efinque can of worms... socapex is used for many line array speaker distribution systems now, with fan outs to CA-COM, NL8, etc. But maybe it’s better to say it’s for ‘high voltage’ systems.

And they’re only fragile pins if you’re a fat handed lazy tw*t who can’t make the locating pin mate. In which case, I feel sorry for your girlfriend...


Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 04 January 2019 at 10:56pm
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:


And they’re only fragile pins if you’re a fat handed lazy tw*t who can’t make the locating pin mate. In which case, I feel sorry for your girlfriend...


Now you are assuming that there is a girlfriend...


Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 05 January 2019 at 8:41am
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:


And they’re only fragile pins if you’re a fat handed lazy tw*t who can’t make the locating pin mate. In which case, I feel sorry for your girlfriend...


Now you are assuming that there is a girlfriend...
Don’t think there’s a girlfriend, man just a "I like to play with myself", he should get a new hobby, maybe fixing microwaves 


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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 05 January 2019 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

I thought they were mainly for military use?


yeah as Kyle says they're used all the time when you need a multicore cable that is running "power" level signals rather than normal mic/line/signal level multi's.

So running multiple power feeds up to lighting bar/truss obviously, running many channels of amplified signal up to line array hangs or to banks of subwoofers, running a big bunch of monitor feeds to a particular side or area of stage.

As said, usually run on socapex and then a set of tails or breakout box on the end will turn it back into whatever connection is needed: powercon, 16a, NL4, NL8 etc. 

K


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 05 January 2019 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

I thought they were mainly for military use?

EDIT : I just googled it (also known as Amphenol), we used those in army radios.. any sand etc in the grooves and they won't screw in, especially in the dark. Helps if you moisten the O-ring.

EDIT 2 : sorry, I'm not really helping.. but army could in some instances sell their surplus, or if you know someone from the inside.
You were in the army? You had a gun?


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 05 January 2019 at 8:34pm
I love Socapex!

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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 3:47pm
Hey elfinque:

Socapex is a French connector manufacturer who make a wide range of products, many of which have direct equivalents made by other suppliers. In the event production world they are all known as "Socapex". The most common type, and the subject of this thread, is used for lighting and loudspeaker circuits and is a lot bigger than the ones used on military comms sets.

You really are out of your depth here...


Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 5:37pm
Wikipedia is by no means a source of facts.




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Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by mini-mad mini-mad wrote:

Wikipedia is by no means a source of facts.




I'm sure you can back that with some evidence.


Posted By: JonB67
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 9:58pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source


Ironic, isn't it?


Posted By: Danielr
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

Originally posted by madboffin madboffin wrote:

Hey elfinque:

Socapex is a French connector manufacturer who make a wide range of products, many of which have direct equivalents made by other suppliers. In the event production world they are all known as "Socapex". The most common type, and the subject of this thread, is used for lighting and loudspeaker circuits and is a lot bigger than the ones used on military comms sets.

You really are out of your depth here...

According to Wikipedia ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socapex" rel="nofollow - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socapex ) :

Quote The Socapex was first created by a company called Socapex in 1961, which later on became Amphenol Socapex.

Then there's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-DTL-5015" rel="nofollow - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-DTL-5015  (I believe the military version uses a bayonet connector)

EDIT : then again, it's almost 10 years since my conscription, the last time I was in service was 2015
Yes, the company called Socapex is the french connector manufacturer called Socapex.

A little more research would serve you well.
The socapex connections talked about here are used in specific applications.

If you look at at catalog for MIL-DTL-5015 there are two 19 pin MIL-DTL-5015 "22-14" and "22-30"
page 439 of this catalog http://www.amphenol-aerospace.com/pdf/catalogs/5015_Catalog.pdf shows you the pin out, it's connector pins arranges in equilateral triangles/hexagons across the plug.

When you look at the socapex connector (about half way down this page.) 
https://p3connectors.com/2018/02/15/socapex-19-pin-circuit-drawings-wiring-diagram/
you'll see it is not. the pins are arranged differently.

Seriously, if you don't know, why are you offering this advice? - some fool is going to follow your advice one day, and they will end up wasting their money on a bunch of shite that simply doesn't work.


Posted By: Danielr
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:


just sharing my experience

Let me be clear, 
They are not the same, I have posted links to catalogues to show you that they are not the same. 

You are not sharing your experience because you do not have experience with these connectors. 

You cannot share experience that you don't have. 
You have no experiance of Socapex connectors because the military connectors and these are not the bloody same. 

When you claim this experiance your lying. 


Also to be clear, you might not be saying they won't work. 
I am saying absolutely, unequivocally. 
If you make a cable with the mill connectors you posted they will not mate with Socapex fan in or fan out tail because the pin arrangement in the plugs, the actual geometry of the pins, is different. 





Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 1:38am
op's question was "what's the best place to buy it" too..


Posted By: RoadRunnersDust
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 5:13am
Isn't it about time Ian banned this oxygen-thief? Wacko

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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 8:43am
Originally posted by efinque efinque wrote:

Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

op's question was "what's the best place to buy it" too..

I just checked Farnell.. most of the MIL-spec stuff seems to be 5-10 times more expensive than standard A/V stuff, although they carry more signals than a standard DMX.

I'm not totally sure what you're trying to achieve here?

I'll be honest, at first I thought people were being a bit harsh with you, you'd simply gotten a little mixed up with the connectors we were discussing and people pointed out that we were talking about something very different to you. 

However this dogged refusal to drop the subject is really grating even me at this point. No one has mentioned DMX or running DMX down the cable except you. You're discussing your experience with a small multipin connector for line level signals, and even a very quick google (never mind everyone explaining it to you) shows that the one we are discussing a much bigger connector with much more robust pins and much thicker cable for carrying powered signals. 

I'm sure the OP at least appreciates you getting back on the subject and checking the price for him at Farnell, but again the fact that you bring up DMX makes me think that you're still looking at the wring kind of connector, and that the info isn't really of much use?

We're all on here to learn, and hopefully learning about this use of a particular Socapex connector will stand you in good stead sometime in the future. But please stop bringing up something that is irreverent in the thread.

K


Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 8:49am
Originally posted by Father-Francis Father-Francis wrote:

where’s the best place to buy them , need lots of it and mainly 419 if possible 
Thanks in advance 


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Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 10:33am
Has anyone ever tried to use Socapex for Cat5? Seems to be more robust than a RJ45?





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Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 11:08am
Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

Has anyone ever tried to use Socapex for Cat5? Seems to be more robust than a RJ45?





P.S I am not sorry ;)


Nah Cam-lock is the way to go... can get your fingers in there to clean the dirt out...totally improves your network !

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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 08 January 2019 at 1:40am
I thought maybe SOCAPEX was a new genre or something....
Soca dubstep or something LOL Alison Hinds & Skrillex


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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 08 January 2019 at 6:57am
Originally posted by RealitySound RealitySound wrote:

I thought maybe SOCAPEX was a new genre or something....
Soca dubstep or something LOL Alison Hinds & Skrillex
You learn something new everyday Boss. The I killed me with that maybe we should hookup in the studio and make some socastep to thru The socapex 😂 💃🏾🕺🏿


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Posted By: RealitySound
Date Posted: 08 January 2019 at 10:42pm
At least drop a SOCAPEX mix tape....

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Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 09 January 2019 at 12:43am





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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 January 2019 at 8:10am
You can use cat6 instead of socapex to deliver the high level stuff  cheep and cheerful and safe.


Posted By: haymere
Date Posted: 10 January 2019 at 10:06am
Originally posted by freddymendez freddymendez wrote:

You can use cat6 instead of socapex to deliver the high level stuff  cheep and cheerful and safe.
LOLLOLLOL Always remember to carry a dry powder fire extinguisher folks


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 January 2019 at 11:19am
Warning. DO NOT USE CAT6 AS PREVIOUSLY STATED.

thanks for your understanding.


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 13 January 2019 at 2:49pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153338472784" rel="nofollow - I have just listed this stuff on E-Gay if anyone's looking.




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Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 13 January 2019 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153338472784" rel="nofollow - I have just listed this stuff on E-Gay if anyone's looking.



Hey Jase Any chance you could pop the lid off one and post a pic 

/tx 


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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 13 January 2019 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153338472784" rel="nofollow - I have just listed this stuff on E-Gay if anyone's looking.


i just bid on them 


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Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 13 January 2019 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:

Originally posted by jacethebase jacethebase wrote:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153338472784" rel="nofollow - I have just listed this stuff on E-Gay if anyone's looking.



Hey Jase Any chance you could pop the lid off one and post a pic 

/tx 

What do you want to know?

They are wired for sub as per description.

Ch1+-

Rather than the flashlight wiring of + +  - -


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Posted By: 4D
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 11:50am
Apologies I should have been clearer I meant the internals of the 125a 415 3ph+n+e distro rather than the audio stuff.. 




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Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 9:39pm
Aghh the old flash distros!

They are a work of art! I’ll get some pics soo .

Jace


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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 22 January 2019 at 6:48am
I got the cables and now I need Socapex -NL4 Speakon or NL8 

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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 22 January 2019 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by Father-Francis Father-Francis wrote:

I got the cables and now I need <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Trebuchet, "Trebuchet MS"; font-size: 18px; font-weight: 700;">Socapex -NL4 Speakon or NL8 </span>


Simmer Cable have those on the shelf ready to go. Ours have toured for seven years with zero issues.



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