Yet another BPH issue...
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Topic: Yet another BPH issue...
Posted By: FOO
Subject: Yet another BPH issue...
Date Posted: 05 January 2019 at 11:34pm
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Hi Guys. If you had the assignment of building (or loading) a BPH like ES18-BPH or USB, what would you choose and what driver would you choose for it? Dont think about price. Just, what driver would rock the f*** out of these boxes? Neo drivers allowed 😄 Paudio SD18 cant still be the best for it 🤔 Frank
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 1:13am
| What are your goals? Max SPL above 50Hz or lower frequency response? Are you willing to go huge? |
Posted By: FOO
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 5:40am
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2 stacks of 4 singles. Minimum. No subs. There is No need for that deep 30-35hz rumble. Max spl is primary goal. Lower response is secondary. The goal is a sound like Turbosound tsw 718, and the size of two singles should be close to the same size as 718.
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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 10:21am
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Am using the fane 18xs https://m.thomann.de/intl/fane_colossus_prime_18xs_8_ohm.htm?i11l=en_GB%3ADK.DKK%3AEUR" rel="nofollow - https://m.thomann.de/intl/fane_colossus_prime_18xs_8_ohm.htm?i11l=en_GB%3ADK.DKK%3AEUR
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 10:45am
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Many think, pile of these, 1x mile high, will achieve sub. It won't, no matter which driver. If need plenty of notes < 50hz, build subs, not kicks. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: FOO
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 11:24am
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Levyte357 I dont expect and dont need sub. If it is possible to get some sub-like sound with 4, 6 og 8, fine by me. But it is not a demand. Have been using Fane TT1000 BPH before. Loaded with Fane 18b600. Great kick and OK low freq response. Almost the same cab as ES18-BPH. Only big difference is magnet in chamber. Francis, sweet.. You also run these cabs? You got it all 😁 Would you dare to use them 4 in a stack, 1 stack each side, for dance and techno? I really like the sound of Fane drivers. Have plenty experience with 18b600 and good old 18XB.
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 12:23pm
A block of six F221 is about as huge as it gets in BPH world, yet only allows about 4Hz extra low extension from the single F221 cutoff of 50Hz, so yeah. That's a big old box, and yet at max output (clipping a bridged E45 into one) it essentially is 23dB down by 30Hz. But, the distortion drops massively and the stack becomes really dynamic, with a fairly insane output from 60Hz to 100Hz (enough that really, some of it should be EQ'd out... ooooh snap, sorry 'no EQ' F1 guys!) - so as ever, pick your battles. |
levyte357- wrote:Posted By: re-production
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 1:57pm
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No EQ is more of a general rule for the tops. The bass in most cases needs to be EQ’d in my experience
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Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 06 January 2019 at 2:04pm
Hey boss these are the boxes I have and am very happy with them https://forum.speakerplans.com/new-kick-bin-for-pd186-sv186bph_topic75934.html" rel="nofollow - https://forum.speakerplans.com/new-kick-bin-for-pd186-sv186bph_topic75934.html On the 29th December we used 4 in one block sounded good, and it’s not that big a box we have 8 and 8more Xs’s waiting . ------------- Music is the strongest form of magic.(+45 31879997)blakmanpro@gmail.com, foa@sweetboxaudio.dk |
Posted By: RoadRunnersDust
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 5:43am
As far as I was aware, the SD18 mentioned on the plans was the original Mk1 and that the Mk2 was really not well suited to use in the ES-18? It's really quite important that you decide which design you're planning to use (USB or ES-18) though as they're designed for two different things. The ES-18 is a dedicated kick-box to be used above subs whereas the USB is intended to do the job similar to TSW-718s and F218s (albeit if you've not got the proper Celestion in them then they don't hold a candle to the Branded cabinets). If you want something akin to the 718, given the plans are readily available and they've been out of production for years, you could probably just build some and stick PD.188 (I think is the current favourite) in them. Even then it's probably cheaper to buy some second hand 718s... ------------- www.guildfordcablecompany.co.uk" rel="nofollow - www.guildfordcablecompany.co.uk |
Posted By: FOO
Date Posted: 07 January 2019 at 8:19pm
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I guess i also could use the plans on hornplans.free :P There is a really nice one. But this SV186 also looks really nice... |
Posted By: Marko
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:41am
I would say it's the other way. ES18 as stand alone bass bin and USB as kick above subs.
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Posted By: Marko
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:43am
Just don't do this for too long, they don't like it.
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Posted By: RoadRunnersDust
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:55am
Then you’d say wrong 🤷🏻♂️ ------------- www.guildfordcablecompany.co.uk" rel="nofollow - www.guildfordcablecompany.co.uk |
Posted By: Father-Francis
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:14am
don't you think it's about what one calls bass , some people are happy with 40hz some want 10 and only get to hear 30 cause the music is spoty or youtube chhity files, with 3x218 they sound nice for some dance and live music ------------- Music is the strongest form of magic.(+45 31879997)blakmanpro@gmail.com, foa@sweetboxaudio.dk |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:38am
Well, the USB was originally designed to fit on LABhorns as a kick bin, and then adjusted to be a cheap and easy build to play dance music at free parties. It means ‘United sounds of bristol’ from memory, and I think Davey got a call from the farm at some point too 
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