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Topic: First time festival
Posted By: IainB
Subject: First time festival
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 3:52pm
Hopefully not a stupid question, but thought I would ask here first :-) 
A local charity close to my heart is running a fund raiser Festival in July (think local bands in a small marquee) and Ive offered to help out with the PA side.
We have our first meeting mid-week and Im wondering what questions I should be asking about band requirements, this side is all very new to me, DJ setups - not a problem, bands is a new kettle of fish so to speak and the organizers are also new to setting a festival up so everyone is a bit in the dark (and yes with only 7 weeks to sort, im sure its going to be 'fun' getting everything in order) 
Thanks for any assistance 



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Posted By: KDW32
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 4:01pm
Can you live mix a band or is someone else doing that?


Posted By: MattStolton
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 4:14pm
What scale? How many bands of what size, and how many punters?

First thing to get them to do, is appoint a stage manager. They will get the next band on, in the wings ready to go on, and get the current band off. Saves you running around looking for the talent, when your busy mixing. They will also deal with the bands that turn up 3 hours early, and deal with where to put their stuff, off-stage.

See if sharing a drum kit is feasible. Each band bring snare and cymbals, but saves ages getting kits on/off.

Work from the biggest (headline) band backwards. If you can accommodate the headline act, then anything smaller is generally covered.

Typically 4 or 6 monitor mix for small stage, with side-fills if bigger. FOH to suit number of punters. Compared with a DJ rig, double it for number of punters for live sound, for headroom.

A typical small festy for me is 4 radio mics up front deployed to meet that acts needs. DI's everywhere to simply plug in as required, and some 57s on stands for guitar cabs. 5 or 6 mics on drums. 4 mons for 4 vox, and a couple for instrument players. Covers typical 4/5 piece covers bands in most instances.

Doing a small outdoor one in a few weeks (perhaps 500 peeps, 8 bands in 7 hours, plus acts to cover changeover time). Luckily the promoter is a control freak, so I get a stage manager, and a rider, in advance, for every act. usually no more than 5 minutes late at any one point in time!

Prior information is key for planning, last minute "additions" are always a clusterfuck. Time for band on/off is also critical to smooth running.

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Posted By: GAZ.
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 4:34pm
Where abouts are you?

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Posted By: Chris Grimshaw
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 5:14pm
There's quite a difference between live sound and DJ-only events.

Assuming you've got a reasonable system for DJ use, here's what you'll need:

- More mics
- Lots of mic stands
- Lots of XLR
- Stage monitors (plus amplification)
- A mixing desk with a minimum of 16 inputs, preferably either digital or with a rack of outboard
- Someone that can mix live sound, including monitors.

I don't want to scare you, but I do want to make sure you're being realistic here.

Chris


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Posted By: Jo bg
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by Chris Grimshaw Chris Grimshaw wrote:

There's quite a difference between live sound and DJ-only events.

Assuming you've got a reasonable system for DJ use, here's what you'll need:

- More mics
- Lots of mic stands
- Lots of XLR
- Stage monitors (plus amplification)
- A mixing desk with a minimum of 16 inputs, preferably either digital or with a rack of outboard
- Someone that can mix live sound, including monitors.

Chris


... and DIs and more cables, and a digital or analog snake.
It takes a lot more gear and a different skillset to deal with bands (if you need to mic more than voice only).
do you know how to mic a drumkit or a guitar amp? when you need a DI?
do you know how to ring out monitors or to deal with feedback in a live situation?
have you ever mixed a live band?

if you miss this tools and skills, either team up with someone who has them, or simply offer to provide just FOH pa clarifing that they need backline/monitors/mics... and an engineer.

you will still help them but you will avoid to ruin the event and your reputation if something goes wrong.


Be extremely clear about what you can provide and what you NEED to run the show (power, more working monitors, a set of mics or system tech...)


Posted By: IainB
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 6:42pm
Thanks all, as always much appreciated 
Gaz - im over in WGC
Currently Ive said I will provide the PA, I haven't mentioned stage management, mixing the band or indeed setting up mics for guitars / drums, I do have an old analogue Berry MX3242X and a snake, but would need to acquire additional mics/stands 
I will be open and honest at the meeting and see what happens.


Posted By: KDW32
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 7:16pm
get the tech riders in for the bands asap


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 7:26pm
Find a small local PA company and get a quote of them for everything except racks n stacks.

Watch what they do and slowly start buying the bits you need, then in a few years you can do it alone.

Best of luck :)




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Posted By: GAZ.
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by IainB IainB wrote:

Thanks all, as always much appreciated 
Gaz - im over in WGC
Currently Ive said I will provide the PA, I haven't mentioned stage management, mixing the band or indeed setting up mics for guitars / drums, I do have an old analogue Berry MX3242X and a snake, but would need to acquire additional mics/stands 
I will be open and honest at the meeting and see what happens.


In that case if you want to take a 10 minute trip down the road to hertford, I can help you with any advice and kit you need.

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Posted By: IainB
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by GAZ. GAZ. wrote:

Originally posted by IainB IainB wrote:

Thanks all, as always much appreciated 
Gaz - im over in WGC
Currently Ive said I will provide the PA, I haven't mentioned stage management, mixing the band or indeed setting up mics for guitars / drums, I do have an old analogue Berry MX3242X and a snake, but would need to acquire additional mics/stands 
I will be open and honest at the meeting and see what happens.


In that case if you want to take a 10 minute trip down the road to hertford, I can help you with any advice and kit you need.

You sir are an absolute star, let me see how the meeting goes and I will be in touch Smile


Posted By: GAZ.
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 10:25pm
If this event doesn’t clash with anything else I’ve got on I can most probably work with you.
No disrespect, but there’s a lot involved with doing live sound and throwing yourself in at the deep end and trying to do your first event with no experience will not end well!

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Posted By: Plaguesguitarist
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 10:31am
It's probably teaching you to suck eggs but having done plenty of outdoor festivals there are a few key things - Common sense but if you don't know it the consequences can come back and bite you hard

Stage manager (as mentioned many a time) - The most important thingy you can have.  If they know what they are doing then that's even better...

Power - Make sure you have an adequate supply. If you are on a generator Double the capacity of what you think you need if you can.  Provide power drops up to the point of Backline (13a sockets)

Keep the stage as tidy as possible.  This will help with the change overs - Use drop boxes (short stage boxes) if you have them with short XLRs.  If you can't do that Label the microphone end of the XLR with what it is miking up with white tape ... Organise your cable runs so they are not in the walk in areas

Try and make sure there is a drum riser... This will also help keep things tidier on stage

I'm assuming you will have some form of PLI Insurance in place...


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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 12:03pm
hey

Yeah can confirm what people have said.

Ideally you'll need 3 people as a stage/sound team to be able to run this (though you could manage with 2 experienced people).

FOH guy to mix the bands (and do monitors, I presume you won't have a separate monitors desk), stage manager to round up unruly band members from the bar and have them at the side of the stage waiting to go on at their allotted time. Changeover guy to help get a band off stage, and move the mics around and sort things for the next band. 

Probably a good idea if the FOH guy is someone experienced, the others can be you/volunteers etc as long as they have at least a basic knowledge of what's going on. 

Make sure when the running order is sorted, you leave 15 mins between each band to get the previous band off stage and get the next one set up and ready. More if you're having to swap drumkits or there is a change of a lot of instruments and things. You'd be shocked at the amount of people that don't consider this. People sometimes program these events with one band playing from 1.30 to 2, then the next band from 2 until 2.30 etc etc, and don't leave time for people to actually get on stage and set up, swap cymbals, tune guitars, find out why their amp is making no noise etc etc. 

You'll want to get stage information from each band so you can see exactly what's needed and how to set it up. Hopefully they'll all be pretty similar 4 or 5 piece rock bands kind of thing, and you wont be massive differences, say going from a 3 piece punk set up to a 10 piece pan pipe band!  (you may laugh, but I've had to deal with far worse, people planning the running order of the stage generally don't consider these things!) 

Once you see what's involved and what you need, and even more so if you can't get info for some of the bands, it might be best to do a "festival patch" which basically means put spare mics all over the stage to cover all eventualities.  Full set of drum mics set up, two guitar mics and a bass guitar DI back left, 2 guitars and a bass di back right, 3 vocal mics across the front, and a few spare mics and DIs set up both on the left or right of the stage that you can just pull in for random keyboards, brass players, backing singers etc. That way everything is all set up and ready to go, and you just use what's needed for each band.

And yeah, defo query power supply at your meeting. Make sure you have adequate power for your stage, and make sure that they're not also planning to hook up tea urns, burger vans, or other random stuff from the same power. 


k




Posted By: IainB
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 12:52pm
A massive thank you to everyone who has responded to this, SO glad I asked the question now.
Im compiling a list of questions to take with me tomorrow, as im guessing they also haven't considered this with it being the first festival they have organized. 
This has been a total eye opener for me, a few things I had considered but a hell of a lot I haven't, but at least I am a little more prepared now, my first thing after the meeting is to find someone who knows what they are doing!  


Posted By: citizensc
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 12:53pm
This may sound dumb, especially to you UK folk but have a plan for HEAVY rain. First festival we ever did, we brought some tarps etc. in case it rained, we felt we had it covered. Lack of prep bit us pretty hard.


Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 1:13pm
If your speakers can't get wet, then you probably shouldn't be doing festivals...


Posted By: jacethebase
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 5:29pm
Don't worry about a tarp for the speakers..... Bring a spade to dig a moat around dimmer world under the stage.

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Posted By: citizensc
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 12:09am
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

If your speakers can't get wet, then you probably shouldn't be doing festivals...

They can get wet but there were strong winds that blew rain in to the mid horns, getting watter on the cones. This wasnt a bit of drizzle, it was a full on thunderstorm.  

The other factor was that the stage was setup on a dried out creek, it didnt stay dry... water was flowing from the dancefloor, under the stage. All the lighting gear etc. was wrecked (we didnt do the lighting thank god). For day two we moved the stage to a large tent (no sleep for us) and it was fine. 

This was like 4 months in to us running a sound system, we learnt a lot, we dont do festivals now unless there is adequate shelter, eg. a tent. 


Posted By: Phil B
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 4:28am
Good points so far ...

Other things to consider...

Foh Mixing position ? Where will you be? If it's out in front of the stage who is providing the tent , cover? You'll need cable tray / matting to cover your cores going to stage..again who's providing ?

Power... what power is provided.. what outlet are you getting ( gonna presume a powerlock or 125/3 Ceeform might be a bit over-spec for you !), make sure you request what you run your system off . Are you sharing power with lighting / stall holders / the general public , having stall holders trip the power with massive coffee barristas / deep fat fryers is a common occurrence !

Noise limits.. Is the council going to be monitoring, have the organizers got a noise plan in place, is there a licence ?? You'll be the one in the firing line as the one in charge of the system.

Are you going to get a break at some point ? Sounds stupid but the amount of gigs I've done where I get trapped at FOH or stage as it's just band after band ? Maybe consider rotating a extra capable crew around the positions to give everyone at least a meal break ?

Talking of meals...are they going to feed / water you ? If not bring eski's of grub for everyone and water bottles ( re-usable with a big water container !!)



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Posted By: monkeypuzzle
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 6:56am
 Check the festival has insurance, adequate stage security, especially overnight and get EVERYTHING that is agreed in terms of what the festival will supply in an email trail. Not Facebook or whatsap. Basically, after the meeting, write up what you will supply and what they will. Send that as an email to more than one of the promoters at least 

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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 9:15am
Originally posted by citizensc citizensc wrote:

This may sound dumb, especially to you UK folk but have a plan for HEAVY rain. First festival we ever did, we brought some tarps etc. in case it rained, we felt we had it covered. Lack of prep bit us pretty hard.


OP says that gig is in a marque, so that shouldn´t be  a problem.

One (other) thing that happens here all the time, is that the organisation will stick a bar in somewhere, often just where, or close to where you want to put the desk. Worth checking that as well. Last thing you need are punters spilling beer on the desk.  Ouch


EDIT: And, of course, get some barriers to put around the desk.



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