Ideas for a system... up to 500 people...
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Topic: Ideas for a system... up to 500 people...
Posted By: Maze
Subject: Ideas for a system... up to 500 people...
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 1:21pm
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Hi all, I'm in the process of building a system over the summer. The system is meant for up to 500 people at most, and will be used mainly for outdoor events. For the tops, I plan to buy commercially available ones. I'm thinking the Orbits Neo 4 from Soundgear. 4-6 of those. I'm a dub head, and I've always loved the look of the scoops, so the Super Scoop is on my radar. But I have also looked at the Paraflex C-2E 1x18". The Paraflex is tuned to 40hz though, that doesn't seem like it will supply proper bass for dub? I'm also looking to add kick bins to the system, not sure which ones yet. Any help and suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 2:20pm
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Are you building yourself or paying a builder? If the latter, shout Workroom Industries for Polar Bear Scoops. It’s a very refined design that can be pushed very hard without concern. Technically it behaves more as a front loaded horn without a rear chamber, like the Bassmaxx Z5. It’s what Dub Smugglers and Sinai use. |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 2:40pm
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I'm not building myself, I will hire a woodworker whom I will supply the plans. I'd love to do the Polar Bears but i'm afraid I'm all the way in China, it will be too costly to have them shipped here :( I was actually looking for the polar bear plans, I even got in contact with Sinai sound system that I know runs them, but told me you can only get them from Dub Smugglers. Btw, my budget is about 13.000 - 16.000 GBP, but I'll have to get amps etc as well within this budget. Amps and other gear like DSP I plan to buy second hand.
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Posted By: midas
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 3:22pm
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Why buy amps and dsp second hand. Go to the factories in china...lol. You will get them cheaper than we can. ------------- In bass no one can hear you scream! |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 3:54pm
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Really?  Any particular ones you would recommend? I was offered some LabGruppen FP10000Q for 1700GBP used. Was thinking of getting those maybe. Btw, I was told it would be better to use amps with built in DSP instead of having a seperate DSP. Is this true? Also, I'm still new to this. What else would I need in the amp-rack to run the system. (other than the amplifiers and the DSP) |
Posted By: Darkstar
Date Posted: 10 June 2019 at 7:26pm
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FP10000Q for 1700GBP used sounds ok to me, but do keep in mind a copy of those costs around 1150-1300GBP and will yeld very close to identical performance. Personally, I'd still go for originals if I could. As for particular brands Sanway is located in China and makes these, I have a FP14000 of theirs and it never failed me. Last but not least, amps with integrated dsp should have better limiting and might offer advanced features such as real time impedance and others (mostly Powersoft). However, we're talking 4000-6000EUR amps and if you get a high end dsp the benefit is quite marginal. ------------- Bass =/= Enough |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 11 June 2019 at 3:07pm
Have a look at the T.D. Taichee EX 3400 and 3600. Good solid amps that have done the job for me (and a couple of friends). ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Maze wrote:Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 11 June 2019 at 4:35pm
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Thanks for the heads up, because that is still some good savings considering I was preparing to buy 3 of those amps. 3 amps is what I'm planning to run 4-6 scoops/paraflex subs + kicks and tops. I'll check out the TD ones too. I have two contacts for 2nd hand stuff. Basically they have warehouses full of used club gear. Powersoft, Turbo Sound, Funktion 1, etc.
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Posted By: smitske96
Date Posted: 11 June 2019 at 4:45pm
Hopefully in a couple of weeks I'm going to build two (normal) Type-C cabs, these are tuned at 35 Hz and can be loaded with the 21SW152 without changing dimensions. Default driver is the 18DS115 which is also nice (and I have one for sale might you be interested
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Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 5:22am
What would be a recommended DSP?
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Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 5:24am
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Also, I'm looking to buy wood for the cabinets I'm building. What wood is recommended? I know about Baltic Birch Plywood, and for thickness 18mm or whatever the plans states. But any specific plywood I should look for. |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 1:01pm
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I think that marine ply is the best - but also more expensive. Then Baltic/birch ply. It will obviously depend on what you can actually get over there. Russian ply?? ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 2:36pm
Yeah, I have at least seen that russian plywood is sold here. Like the the stuff in the link here. It is says in Chinese this is Marine Plywood (海洋版） https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.w4023-17197146859.4.7b651717XlG7Bs&id=560588555559" rel="nofollow - https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.w4023-17197146859.4.7b651717XlG7Bs&id=560588555559 Is the russian plywood ok? |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 3:54pm
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Yes - I think that it should be ok, but obviously better to go check the quality before handing over any cash. Check for voids and knots! ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 4:34pm
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Cool, thanks. I'm meeting with my woodworker tomorrow to go over the project with him. Hopefully we can start getting some speakers done within a couple of weeks! |
Posted By: midas
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 4:56pm
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DSP have a look at db mark. Very good sound quality not expensive. One of the better ones before spending a fortune. ------------- In bass no one can hear you scream! |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 10:20pm
BB Grade Birch is the best. Marine Ply is not ideal. |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 12 June 2019 at 11:11pm
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Let me get this strait. You are in China and you want to BUILD boxes for a 500 people gigs outdoor? For 15K pounds you can buy a concert rig in China. Why fooking build anything? ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 3:58am
Do you have any recommendations? Yes, I realize that I could buy something second hand. I guess my mission is to build something that looks a certain way also. Not just black boxes. I wouldn't mind buying, but what to buy that isn't boring looking black boxes? I'm not trying to be a PA guy who rent out to weddings and business functions, I want something that looks like Mungo's Hifi or I've even seen something here called Sydney Reggae Disco system. Where can you buy a rig like that? The rig is mostly going to be used for festivals and similar events, I don't see myself trying to compete in the black boxes PA rental market or anything like that. Funktion 1 and Void make cool looking systems but I don't have that kind of money. |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 4:51am
| I do appreciate your input, I am a noob about sound systems. Maybe I am doing things the wrong way or there are better options I haven’t considered. I’ve read a lot on the boards here over the years, now I finally have the funds to get a system up and going. I’m doing it mainly for the the culture of sound system though. This won’t be my business or something, so I probably don’t look at it strictly from a practical PA rental business point of view. However, I do want something the sounds decent. But yeah, also something that looks beautiful. |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 5:49am
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You can see some of the stuff a guy I know has in his warehouse, there’s much much more!
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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 11:26am
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Those prices there are not cheap - especially for copies! Your 15K would not go far buying a system there.  ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 11:46am
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Yes, every time I write on here, people tell me I can get it all mad cheap in China, but nope :( |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 1:12pm
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Yes you can. But you need to look at Chinese manufacturers, not distributors of European equipment. EU gear is way more expencive there because the high import tax. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 1:21pm
Haggle??  ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 1:30pm
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@Earplug That's a given! @MarjanM ...yeah, but then, I wouldn't know what brands to trust. To be honest, I hear a lot of systems set up in malls and different places with events here, and it all sounds horrible. I don't trust the Chinese brands much. Of course not saying there isn't proper stuff out there, but where and what to look for?! I wouldn't know. I asked a friend who works for a PA hire company here. She said import tax on speakers from the UK is 2,5% here. From the US 25%. So getting some tops from the UK should still be possible for me. Unless she is wrongly informed?
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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 3:07pm
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Check what the tax is for Macedonia. I´m sure that Marjam will give you a good price on his gear! And some of his stuff is definitely distinctive!!  ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 13 June 2019 at 3:14pm
Transport cost and chinese import taxes will deffo ruin the deal. But Arthur Felix for one, has manufacturing in China and his gear is more then good. https://www.facebook.com/ArthurCELTO" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/ArthurCELTO Buzz him on FB and tell him Speaker Plans people said hello, and he will sort you with everything you need.
------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: Edward69
Date Posted: 02 August 2019 at 2:09pm
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Maze, If you need plywood i can advise http://www.plyterra.com - http://www.plyterra.com they helped me recently. I really liked the quality of plywood. For the convenience of production planning, plywood selects dimensions of 18 mm. This is the best thickness for building furniture.
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