PC strangest symptoms
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Topic: PC strangest symptoms
Posted By: gen0me
Subject: PC strangest symptoms
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 11:26am
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I wrote in prev topic my motherboard ASUS Sabretooth got broken... thats not entirely true.. I just gonna write it... as those are the strangest symptoms ever Around 2-3 years ago PC froze the first time. Screen froze, no reaction, even mouse not moving. Restarted it. Worked fine for year or more. I blamed high temperatures as I then installed temperature statistics soft and realized stock cooler is not something you should ever use running multi-cores. I changed cooling, added fans, flipped 180deg PSU ventilator and continue happy using it. But... around year ago PC froze again. Started freezing more and more often: once per 2 months, once per month, 2 weeks. Around last New Year I realized I couldnt blame temperatures anymore(desktop sometimes froze at idle), but as I abused cpu hardly on the very beginning, also breaking system clock(so every time I turned off power supply clock reseted and bios reseted too. CPU was sometimes not passing its startup test too) I put blame on CPU. So I got new CPU around March/April. It didnt help at all. I switched off some start up services I added earlier. It helped ... for like month. So I got new motherboard. Just weak ASRock 760. Not up to the calculations task but eitherway supported mu CPU wattage. Symptoms continued... I went with the PC to friendly computer shop. They tested each componnent (except hdd) updated bios, everything works fine.. They tried to crash test it and in the same setup as mine they had real problems doing it. So I tried to crash test it at the shop. Runned it up to 50min on 7(out of 8) cores no issues. It runned on low resolution VGA monitor. Came home just connected hdmi... pc havent fully passed the logging screen.. So I changed graphics card... Still the same... I need to test the PSU, as there is not much left to... Still at this point I have no idea why it freezes... Its not that some event triggers it, not temperature, not hard work... it freezes totally randomly...more often on hard tasks, but thats not the direct cause. The only thing that I can tell is that I have been cutting its tasks more and it cant solve the problem. I know I am doing few things wrong like I have too low hard drive space for virtual memory, or relatively low ram but... it doesnt answer the question... I updated graphics driver either. Usually after crash it wont start up showing CPU test failed(motherboard CPU led on). ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 12:35pm
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Run Memtest86 overnight and see where that gets you. Replace CMOS battery and check connection quality to it also. Could also be your PSU. It's almost certainly hardware at fault. Never had a problem with stock cooler on any multicore CPU myself, whether using suppied thermal bond or my own.
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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 1:00pm
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hard drive intermittently failing? |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 1:51pm
 What to look for in options? To be fair the shop guys crushed it with their software(without my hdd) it took them longer(i blame vga resolution). ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 2:20pm
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This is stock cooling:  For size comparison:  I used to make it run on its boost speed or whatever you call it.. I think its the safety measure when processor is overheating so it turns on the cpu fan on much higher rotation speed. Hard to say exactly maybe around 80deg. Didnt have software to measure it at a time. Although now AMD provides Wrath cooling, it seems quite big. Thats my current cooling:  Perfectly clean. If its dirty on 3 cores reaches around 60deg. Clean one for comparison on full 8 cores, not overclocked, just boost speed 4,335GHz it will be under 60, still having plenty of headroom. ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 3:35pm
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So PC froze after 1h 38min of Memtest. Still having 0 errors. I guess it doesnt point anywhere? ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
Posted By: fatfreddiescat
Date Posted: 11 July 2019 at 4:09pm
| From what you have described I would try another psu. Symptoms you describe can be caused by multiple components but most often dodgy ram and psu's from my experience. |
Posted By: Boxes-R-Blue
Date Posted: 12 July 2019 at 2:50am
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Mate, PC repair 101, ALWAYS try a known good PSU (PSUs were a £1/watt they are now £20 for 600W, I am thinking economies have been made) pull your work HDD ASAP, get a £5 crap 80GB and load W10 and run Memtest/Heavy load with HW monitor or equiv sat by it, but don't f**k with your boot drive, a few less-than-gracefull dismounts and W10 is hosed (like Bios drop from AHCI to SATA-IDE will kill a W10 boot drive) Obviously if you can't stick W10 onto your crappy HDD (£20 buys you a 60GB SanDisk SSD which will sped up diags!) drop all but one stick of ram, do a Bios Default reset, poss drop a shit-box GPU in etc, but NEVER play with your live data! :-( other halve's MBP in boot loop after osX upgrade already cost me a 1TB SSd for diags as I can't work with spindle drives!!! |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 12 July 2019 at 8:26am
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Current PSU is corsair CX750. No bulky conds, my all power needs is the procesor + weak GTX 750 with one fan. Dont worry data is safe. I do copies every few months. Is there any reason behind going win 10? So far the only difference I noticed is a lot of unnecessary processes. And hornresp not working! I have literally app for everything I need, I dont need added functionality. No mistaken Miracasts or Cortanas. Hmm it would be good to compare Abec or render times on both systems. What do you mean by:
How can it happen? Edit: I meant win 10 not win 7
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Posted By: Boxes-R-Blue
Date Posted: 13 July 2019 at 1:51am
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Bios drop, simple boot cycle during NVRAM scavenge, please quote the specs of your PSU as you think it may have been at time of purchase, just try another, borrow a mates, I may wrong (I no longer use any poverty junk HP Z series are so cheap, so quiet, so fast, so THERE) I literally roll around laughing at home builds, but please try another PSu just to rule it out, for ref your CX750 cost less than one third of my Z640 PSU but may be enough to hold up a slow machine if it works. |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 13 July 2019 at 8:25am
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Im working on it. What makes you think its weak? 12*62=744W. You have in mind dishonest producer? Rest of PC is ASUS Sabretooth + FX8350 + SSD(one of the earlier ones), only 8GB Corsair Vengeance( https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2K8AAOSwnvdc0IkB/s-l400.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2K8AAOSwnvdc0IkB/s-l400.jpg )
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Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 13 July 2019 at 10:18am
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Just because your PSU has good specs on paper doesn't mean it can't develop a fault over time that drops the 12V rail just enough to crash your CPU. It only takes microseconds of drop out I would imagine. I have seen it before. One thing is for sure, your hardware is faulty. And if it crashes during memtest86 which presumably you ran from a boot disc, then you can be looking between CPU, memory, mobo, and PSU. Out of those for me it would be memory and PSU under most suspicion. |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 13 July 2019 at 12:19pm
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Yes runned it from usb. CPU is ruled out. I have second new FX8350. Tested. ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
Posted By: Boxes-R-Blue
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 4:10am
Just so you know a "cut and paste" of specs on here makes you a bout as close to intellectually dead as you can get. You have a home brew budget PC, it doesn't work, I suggest bang another PSU in (based on most free market PSUs are complete crap), just something I note as look at the £100ks worth of kit that reports back to one of my screens (each cost more than your entire pc) when I diag non-hp worksations I first slam a £23 GPU in, a known good PSU and leave everthing else un-plugged, they usually pull up. I then smash their GPU back in, again they usually pull up. Then they HDDs and other bits.. I then fit a decent PSU and charge them a bit for time ( most times mates so 4X St.Rongbow) and cost of bits. If they care I sell them a Sandisk SSd and ghost their C drive to it. Your kit is screwed, take some advise, but NEVER cut and paste any spec unless you want to laughed at.. ------------- Kinda Been there, Kinda done that, YOU COULDN'T handle my bar bill! |
Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 11:29am
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Do you have some links to the correct lists of power supplies? Sorry but serwer pc's are not my type. I dont need gigabits of data sweep ram,cpu,ethernet,sata. Budget-wise strongest PCs for physics calculations stand on supercomputers of shitloads of weak machines. I have slightly different situation though. ------------- I appreciate every like :)) https//www.facebook.com/genomesoundsystems Mixes: https://www.mixcloud.com/gen-ome/ |
Posted By: odc04r
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 9:21pm
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You don't need a "correct" PSU, you just need one that works - if indeed that is the problem. You spend more, you get reliability. But for now even a relatively cheap affair that can boot up and run your system will do for trouble shooting. If an el cheapo gets you up and running then you can consider whether it is buying something proper. Personally I don't care much, I will use mid-level stuff all day because my home PC is just for shits and giggles and every bit of important data is backed up. If it dies, I'll fix it.
Well at least you got something to keep you going when pornhub goes down. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 10:30pm
*shakes head* How do you get by on a day to day basis Sean |
Posted By: Boxes-R-Blue
Date Posted: 17 July 2019 at 2:32am
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I keep a 1000W Coolermaster on the bench for test work, it does matter about the brand, I just use to rule out (or in PSU probs) I just cheap ones in general a I except they fail and would sooner swap out a £50 one three times than blow up the £400 ones.. ------------- Kinda Been there, Kinda done that, YOU COULDN'T handle my bar bill! |