How comes a lot of sounds don't use pd2450?
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Topic: How comes a lot of sounds don't use pd2450?
Posted By: theentertainer
Subject: How comes a lot of sounds don't use pd2450?
Date Posted: 27 October 2019 at 11:15pm
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Greetings Massive, Me and my brethren are planning to build a sound here in the states. We have been long fans of the UK dub scene. What had us scratching our head, when looking into building a sound system, was that not many sounds use PD-2450. Maybe Errol from King Earthquake. Is there a reason why everyone chooses the PD-1850s instead? We really wanted to start off with two PD-2450s. Would love to know what the massive think about that move. FYI: There are a lot of sounds out here who play reggae and dub and they sound nowhere as heavy in the bass as the UK sounds do.
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Posted By: DJ-Dulux
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 9:26am
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I looked at going 24" in the UK, but I very quickly realised is was doomed! In the UK many venues are function rooms in social clubs and / or above pubs and were never designed to get large scales systems into them. I use a few venues and all have rubbish access, single doors and long thin corridors with turns. I went 15" in the end, a total change from my original plans based on: 1. Truck / van pack (wanted to get speakers to fit 4x8 footprint of standard van) 2. Access through single doors 3. Weight, need to be moved by 2 people, 1 if trolley usable 4. I felt that PD driver was very old and felt modern drivers would have benefits (maybe wrong here) I suspect that unless you only play certain venues with good access and have big vans then most people on here in the UK will have similar requirements. I suspect that's why they not that popular, Dupe... ------------- Dupe... |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 9:33am
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Would think the fundamental question is, are there any cab designs, that really fire with the PD2450? Next, how many dub sounds will buy amps big enough to properly power these drivers, Next, how many dub sounds in UK, play in venues, where the mains supply is sufficient, and there are no SPL limiters in the building? PD1850 in right cabs, were the most potent combination for many years. Now, there are other more potent 18" driver/Bass cab combinations. Some dub sounds are even using dual 21" custom BPH designs. So PD2450, is nothing special in the UK, really. Just big and Heavy. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: djkeet
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 10:43am
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From a practical stand point America/Canada/Australia are just big countries full stop this includes house's, venues, vehicles etc etc so that size is no problem.As mentioned above the 24 prob will produce certain notes but there are scoops and hybrid designs out now that use 21's that produce low notes with good spl. Milton in Australia has a 65''driver that's he's rolling out with all things are possible but not advantageous in UK. If the sounds in the US sound no where near as heavy as UK it might be worth exploring why which might result in not having to use PD24 There is a thing called function over a form or vice a versa which way do you want to go? ------------- Soundbite |
Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 1:18pm
Hold tight the USA 110v power supply....
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theentertainer wrote:Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 1:40pm
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So Lev doesnt price come into it? not everyone can afford 2450.. ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 1:48pm
As we both know, plenty of sounds smashing up venues in UK, with 18"/21" drivers. Many now even going after Neo drivers.. So more reason to not buy driver, as heavy as Moonbase Alpha.  ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 2:01pm
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Think how big the box would be, and how much it would weigh Then trying to pack that into the back of a 3.5T van....
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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 2:14pm
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What about musicality and response? I may well be wrong, but a bigger cone equals more flex, more weight to move, etc. Ok, modern amps have the power to move it but very bass still has transients and reggae bass is still played on a bass guitar occasionally. Yes I appreciate that the upper bass section deals with this, but surely through the frequency range, there's going to be mismatch between upper and lower. In my experience, 18s and to some extent 21s are optimum. 24s, more infra sonic, ie cinema sub and explosion reproduction. ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 28 October 2019 at 2:23pm
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If you wanted to make a home cinema room and load eight of them into the walls infinite baffle style, I don't doubt they would blow your eyeballs right out of your head with about half a watt. A great tool for that job. But for putting in a box and using for PA...in a world of 700mm doors...nah. ------------- Studio45 - Repairs & Building Commotion Soundsystem -Mobile PA |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 October 2019 at 12:18am
------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 29 October 2019 at 1:26pm
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Sounds used to have crew, many from boxing clubs. Youth not generally interested in old time R&C, so sound man haf fi lift box alone.
------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: APC321
Date Posted: 29 October 2019 at 1:44pm
| Looked at the spec. and the pd2450 weighs 36kg! Seems like the Crest 10001 of speaker drivers. |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 29 October 2019 at 1:59pm
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Lol, even original crew would baulk at that! Definitely for installations.. I'd love to hear one in an optimised box tho ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: Faizul Righteous
Date Posted: 14 December 2019 at 8:47am
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What are the more potent combinations today? ------------- Righteous Steppers Studio |
Posted By: Faizul Righteous
Date Posted: 14 December 2019 at 8:48am
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In terms of sub and box ------------- Righteous Steppers Studio |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 9:06pm
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Didnt the 2450 look more like a reflex driver? And theres not many reflex sounds in the roots arena. Then the size/ practicality arguement. What you dont want is whats happend with 21s where people splash out on the drivers only to put them in small narrow boxes that never unleash the potential of the driver. All so they can fit it through a normal doorway. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |