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Topic: 'fake' PD1850s what are they like?
Posted By: khards
Subject: 'fake' PD1850s what are they like?
Date Posted: 29 November 2019 at 3:08pm
I'm looking to build a couple of ported sub-bass cabinets for my mobile DJ rig, so that I can double up on the bottom end. Was looking for econimical drivers when I seen these.

I'm wondering what everyone thinks of the 'fake' copy PD1850s that are on sale from one of this forums "favorite suppliers" for a bargain price.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1200w-18-inch-speaker-hotsale-bass_60798586440.?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.1.2cdd88c3jAx4kI - https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1200w-18-inch-speaker-hotsale-bass_60798586440.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.1.2cdd88c3jAx4kI

The articles in question are identical to the above product.

For reference also being marketd as "BWP-18", but i'm not linking or mentioning names here as it gets a bit polical :-)




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Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 29 November 2019 at 7:15pm
Some of the early ones from him had some build quality issues, they are now ok, for your application they will be good, if your are designing your self then the parameters are quite accurate, post some picks up when you build them. 


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 12:48am
Well at 61£ a driver you cant go wrong,

but need to buy in 100 order...


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Posted By: khards
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 11:44am
I guess my next quest will be to work out a suitable enclosure design for mobile use! Hoping to be able to power two of these from a Behringer NX6000DSP. These will be used at larger events where my existing 18" subs don't quite cut it during the heavier tracks like Prodigy and Pendulum. 


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 1:01pm
Fake PD1850S, Behringer amps, this becomes more like a Greek Tragedy, the more that is said..

Why has no one said just get used B&C drivers 'designed' for reflex, and quality used transformer amp, if your budget is 14 year old's pocket money!?


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 1:34pm
🔥🔥fire.... Ha ha


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Fake PD1850S, Behringer amps, this becomes more like a Greek Tragedy, the more that is said..

Why has no one said just get used B&C drivers 'designed' for reflex, and quality used transformer amp, if your budget is 14 year old's pocket money!?

....but, don't you know a system that uses plenty of i-nukes on bass??
And used at 8r per channel (one per channel), are supposed to spank 1850?
Cheap equipment used to do bigger gig, could lead to funding better equipment in the future, but basing your future on cheap gear.... Well....


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Fake PD1850S, Behringer amps, this becomes more like a Greek Tragedy, the more that is said..

Why has no one said just get used B&C drivers 'designed' for reflex, and quality used transformer amp, if your budget is 14 year old's pocket money!?

....but, don't you know a system that uses plenty of i-nukes on bass??
And used at 8r per channel (one per channel), are supposed to spank 1850?
Cheap equipment used to do bigger gig, could lead to funding better equipment in the future, but basing your future on cheap gear.... Well....


Mate has long got rid of the Berry Inukes..

So many cheap quality transformer amps around now.

How much would it cost for 4x Fane 18XBs, and a QSC 4050/ Crest 8001.?

That's 2x 2x18s right there, providing nice warm sub.


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 30 November 2019 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Fake PD1850S, Behringer amps, this becomes more like a Greek Tragedy, the more that is said..

Why has no one said just get used B&C drivers 'designed' for reflex, and quality used transformer amp, if your budget is 14 year old's pocket money!?

....but, don't you know a system that uses plenty of i-nukes on bass??
And used at 8r per channel (one per channel), are supposed to spank 1850?
Cheap equipment used to do bigger gig, could lead to funding better equipment in the future, but basing your future on cheap gear.... Well....


Mate has long got rid of the Berry Inukes..

So many cheap quality transformer amps around now.

How much would it cost for 4x Fane 18XBs, and a QSC 4050/ Crest 8001.?

That's 2x 2x18s right there, providing nice warm sub.


But the i-nukes probably earnt money above their station.
Both routes work, although one has modern DSP...

As Errol Dunkley says 'every man do his ting alittle way different'

Anyway, sounds like the op stretches his system on just a couple of tracks, where as us on the other hand.... 🤓😉😉


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Posted By: BJtheDJ
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 12:49am
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

Well at 61£ a driver you cant go wrong,

but need to buy in 100 order...


I read this on the site:
Customization:
Customized logo (Min. Order: 100 Pieces)
Customized packaging (Min. Order: 100 Pieces)
To me that means that that minimum order requirement is only for a customised log and or customised box for the speakers; ie if you want to make out that they are genuine 1850's.

Just plain speaker with their logo and box - no mention of any quantity requirement


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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 4:09am
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Fake PD1850S, Behringer amps, this becomes more like a Greek Tragedy, the more that is said..

Why has no one said just get used B&C drivers 'designed' for reflex, and quality used transformer amp, if your budget is 14 year old's pocket money!?

....but, don't you know a system that uses plenty of i-nukes on bass??
And used at 8r per channel (one per channel), are supposed to spank 1850?
Cheap equipment used to do bigger gig, could lead to funding better equipment in the future, but basing your future on cheap gear.... Well....


Mate has long got rid of the Berry Inukes..

So many cheap quality transformer amps around now.

How much would it cost for 4x Fane 18XBs, and a QSC 4050/ Crest 8001.?

That's 2x 2x18s right there, providing nice warm sub.


I’m glad to see you say this. I tend to think it only takes so long to see a better way.

Originally posted by BJtheDJ BJtheDJ wrote:

Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

Well at 61£ a driver you cant go wrong,

but need to buy in 100 order...


I read this on the site:
<dl ="customize="" customize-list="" util-clearfix"=""><dt ="name"="" -spm-anchor-id="a2700.details.maonnacta.i2.6a715c09PxSzYU">Customization:</dt><dd ="value"="">
                                                                                                <div ="customization-list-item"="">
                                        Customized logo
                                        <span ="customization-list-item-moq"="">(Min. Order: 100 Pieces)</span>
                                                                            

                                                                      
                                                                      
               <div ="customization-list-item"="" -spm-anchor-id="a2700.details.maonnacta.i0.6a715c09PxSzYU">
                                        Customized packaging
                                        <span ="customization-list-item-moq"="">(Min. Order: 100 Pieces)</span></dd></dl>
To me that means that that minimum order requirement is only for a customised log and or customised box for the speakers; ie if you want to make out that they are genuine 1850's.

Just plain speaker with their logo and box - no mention of any quantity requirement



This is more that if you order 100 or more you can setup your own Bishopsound.

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 10:01am
Ok, let's all have a giggle. 

Well it 'looks' nice, but you dont buy a driver for its looks do you? It's not till you start reconing one,and compare the coil to a real original PD that you see how they have made it so cheaply. Also beware the chassis will not be as rigid or a strong as the original either. In my experience with chinese drivers, the copies usually have inferior materials and thinner chassis legs. Will it sound like a PD? Somehow i doubt it. 




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Posted By: BJtheDJ
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Ok, let's all have a giggle. 

Well it 'looks' nice, but you dont buy a driver for its looks do you? It's not till you start reconing one,and compare the coil to a real original PD that you see how they have made it so cheaply. Also beware the chassis will not be as rigid or a strong as the original either. In my experience with chinese drivers, the copies usually have inferior materials and thinner chassis legs. Will it sound like a PD? Somehow i doubt it. 

<snip>


Hey look, this Pakistani distributor says it all "all being manufactured with the British logo and the British brand" - not quite the same as manufactured in Britain.


Hmm, can't put the YT video windows link in properly.  Here's what I tried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dmb-BnejIE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dmb-BnejIE


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Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 12:37pm
I have so many questions. Confused

A quick look at the BS (interesting acronym - coincidence?) website I see a 1500W driver which ‘looks’ equally as nice as the one in the video. The spec sheet links takes you to another driver which vaguely familiar.

Both have 280 mags, but they look to be single piece. The chassis looks to be lightened too. Voice coil - what is it?

Maybe an interesting buy, not many drivers on the market at this price. Are recone kits available though, I think they’ll be needed.


Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 12:57pm


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by PauliePaul PauliePaul wrote:

I have so many questions. Confused

A quick look at the BS (interesting acronym - coincidence?) website I see a 1500W driver which ‘looks’ equally as nice as the one in the video. The spec sheet links takes you to another driver which vaguely familiar.

Both have 280 mags, but they look to be single piece. The chassis looks to be lightened too. Voice coil - what is it?

Maybe an interesting buy, not many drivers on the market at this price. Are recone kits available though, I think they’ll be needed.



In a nutshell, if you can't afford a new PD, buy a used PD.

Whatever you do, just don't buy a Chinese PD Copy. LOL


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 1:16pm
I'm not saying PD 18" Drivers are the only way, B&C/Oberton make some nice budget 18s also.

Personally think, if you can't afford used Fane 18XBs for reflex cabs, maybe you should choose another past time.



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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 4:17pm
Well tbh if you cant drive a speaker without blowing them all the time, please stay away from the controll towa...

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 4:23pm
tbh is sick to death with all this, like pushing drivers to there bare limits only using 4 driver to mash up the place for 2000 ppl crap...driver dont blow them selfs

ppl blow drivers.....

any drivers and brand will have its purpose and depending on budget ect and will proply do a decent job

yu ent got to mash up  mash roofs building up all the time...jeeez ppl knock inuke them all a sudden there was cream of the crop


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: BJtheDJ
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:



Thanx for that, I missded the dash at the start of vid code.


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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

tbh is sick to death with all this, like pushing drivers to there bare limits only using 4 driver to mash up the place for 2000 ppl crap...driver dont blow them selfs

ppl blow drivers.....

any drivers and brand will have its purpose and depending on budget ect and will proply do a decent job

yu ent got to mash up  mash roofs building up all the time...jeeez ppl knock inuke them all a sudden there was cream of the crop




how many scoop in there ??   LOL


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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 01 December 2019 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

tbh is sick to death with all this, like pushing drivers to there bare limits only using 4 driver to mash up the place for 2000 ppl crap...driver dont blow them selfs

ppl blow drivers.....

any drivers and brand will have its purpose and depending on budget ect and will proply do a decent job

yu ent got to mash up  mash roofs building up all the time...jeeez ppl knock inuke them all a sudden there was cream of the crop




how many scoop in there ??   LOL

.44 X one.... Apparently


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Posted By: Maze
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 3:57am
I'll be building a rig here in China ready in the spring based on drivers I will buy from the same factory that delivers to Bishop. Obviously I'm paying less for the drivers than you would in the UK through Bishop. It makes sense for me to get started at least. Eventually, when I can afford it, I'll upgrade. The original 1850 and many other drivers aren't actually even sold here in China. For reconing, I can send them back the factory no problem. Of course a luxury I would have here being in China. I don't expect the copies to be as good as the originals, especially when pressed hard, but I have build a scoop and a kick for testing and they sound fine. I've had to put the project on pause, but will soon continue. I'll measure the scoops and kick and share the data here.


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

tbh is sick to death with all this, like pushing drivers to there bare limits only using 4 driver to mash up the place for 2000 ppl crap...driver dont blow them selfs

ppl blow drivers.....

any drivers and brand will have its purpose and depending on budget ect and will proply do a decent job

yu ent got to mash up  mash roofs building up all the time...jeeez ppl knock inuke them all a sudden there was cream of the crop




how many scoop in there ??   LOL

.44 X one.... Apparently
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL well might be 4 , only need one of mine scoop lol joke ppl

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 2:13pm
Also to add PD far from best sounding drivers tbh, yes i do own some too, way more drivers better sounding drivers 

so who cares about them drivers, at that price id love them tbh give them a test ect, i bet ya in correct box bet tha pretty decent imho...remember PRICE

you dont have to knock everything in which you think is inferior , sometimes you be surprised , ive never been one just for jumping a diss bad man wagon...






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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 2:14pm
as i say inukes were shit...some think cream of the crop now..must echo that...

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 2:19pm
Also believe me, proud to have built the 2 sound system for the Yardi film, 

18s loaded boxs wasnt the best drivers out there by far...i tested them in the street 4x double 18s 8 drivers , in old skool 5ft high 4/5ft wide vintage built boxs....i was really surprised tha were shaking roof tiles on the houses for quite far away, and not even driving them hard....some low and nice rounded bass man...


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:

as i say inukes were shit...some think cream of the crop now..must echo that...


Only absolute Moron, or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about/doing, would say Inukes were the cream of the crop.

Inuke 6000, could drive 1x PD1850 per channel properly..
What was the 4 ohm rating !?

Inuke 12000, could not properly drive 2x PD1850s per channel, without clipping..
What was the 4 ohm rating !?

Not everyone can afford big ticket amps, but only idiots believe you can purchase £650 amp new, and get same performance, as £1200 used Void 8MK2, or £2500 used Powersoft K20.

The same people who believe Behringer Inukes and other Chinese lightweights, actually provide rated output.

Behringer Inuke 6000/12000, cannot outperform Crest CA18 or Crown MA5000VZ, driving 2x PD1850 per channel, on decent mains, talking about 6000W/12000W.


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Posted By: Old king coles
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 5:12pm
I use an nx6000 (new inuke) to drive 4x 8ohm 600w 12's , literally no problem ever, plenty of power and sound nice, actually sound better in this application than my lab gruppen 2000c 


Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 6:30pm
You lot do realize that there are Facebook groups set up to discuss questions to be asked on here to see exactly how much hot air can be produced? Competition winners get a big teddy bear normally named Greta, as homage to the global heating effect... Ffs
It's obvious that the i-nuke is the marmite of cheap amps, but a few on here seem to have reasonable results. You don't actually know how the op is going to use it or even if he is in fact a 14 yo with rich parent pocket money.
Yes, there is a reason why macro Tec c18 etc are holding their price, but for how long? Can't compare in reality.
SP ain't that much fun anymore. Better re name it audio fight club.


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Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 6:50pm
Not sure it’s been misconstrued in any way, but my points regarding the driver were;

A. Specs/spec sheets/descriptions were inconsistent.
B. Similarities with a PD.1850 - the chassis looks similar and it has a 280 mag, but not a quad set.
C. They’re cheap enough if only to experiment with.
D. Recone kits will probably be needed because people will buy them and drive them as if they were 1850s because the chassis looks similar and they are coated in snake oil.

If they fit your budget and your ear holes then buy them, if not, don’t.

OP asked for opinions, he got them.




Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by PauliePaul PauliePaul wrote:

OP asked for opinions, he got them.


Aye.


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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 03 December 2019 at 10:55am
Heard it before lev, keep banging on bout it tbh man..consent repeating one self..i hear this all 

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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 03 December 2019 at 10:58am
Originally posted by valve head777 valve head777 wrote:

You lot do realize that there are Facebook groups set up to discuss questions to be asked on here to see exactly how much hot air can be produced? Competition winners get a big teddy bear normally named Greta, as homage to the global heating effect... Ffs
It's obvious that the i-nuke is the marmite of cheap amps, but a few on here seem to have reasonable results. You don't actually know how the op is going to use it or even if he is in fact a 14 yo with rich parent pocket money.
Yes, there is a reason why macro Tec c18 etc are holding their price, but for how long? Can't compare in reality.
SP ain't that much fun anymore. Better re name it audio fight club.
ClapClapClapClapClapClap

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Posted By: khards
Date Posted: 27 January 2020 at 4:18pm
That post seemed to cause a storm :-)

So I picked up a cheap STA-3000 and collect a t.apm 2400 which is eaven cheaper in an hour or so.

No inukes or NU6000DSP's will be damaged in this experiment...

I like the conly costructive response regarding Fane colossous 18XB drivers. They seem good vaue at £220, where the BS ones come in at £150, but are 1200/1500w 8 Ohm which puts the amps out of my zero budget.

Are the fane colossous 18XB best bang for buck in the 1000w RMS range for a reflex/ported box? I am playing mixed music for birthdays weddings etc. Get the occasional 'house of dance' Prodigi, 90's trance, house, dance music.



Posted By: smitske96
Date Posted: 27 January 2020 at 6:49pm
The BMS 18S430V2 is an awesome reflex driver for the money Smile



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