Box builders brad nail gun?
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Topic: Box builders brad nail gun?
Posted By: msoundsystem
Subject: Box builders brad nail gun?
Date Posted: 17 August 2020 at 3:43pm
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Hi. Looking for a cost effective brad nailer to hold the cab together as i assemble ideally to secure 2 peices of 18mm ply together... I have a compressor with different pressure adjustment so looking for a decent nailer that attaches.. I wont be using it alot, only to build my own cabs... Will consider electric one too... let me know what you guys reccomend.. Cheers |
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Posted By: madboffin
Date Posted: 17 August 2020 at 5:35pm
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We always used staples, rather than pins / brads. I'd be looking for a decent air-powered stapler. |
Posted By: markie
Date Posted: 17 August 2020 at 6:43pm
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I bought the Clark "Bandit" kit from machine mart. It comes with a nail/staple gun, hose and 1000 of each. It's brilliant. If you already have a compressor give them a call and find out which gun is in the kit. ------------- If it's got wheels or tits it's gonna cost a fortune |
Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 17 August 2020 at 7:10pm
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Definitely stick with air. Brad nails are fine for getting joints positioned before screwing, staplers better if you are not screwing the joint. Clarke stuff is fine, as is Tackwise. The Clarke Silent compressors are great, i have one of the smaller ones and you don't notice it running at all ------------- “The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better” |
Posted By: markie
Date Posted: 17 August 2020 at 10:09pm
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Agree totally. I had a couple of electric nail guns (Rapson and Tackwise) and the both worked, but neither put the brad fully in so each tack needed a couple of hammer blows to fully seat it. Might as well have knocked the nail in by hand. ------------- If it's got wheels or tits it's gonna cost a fortune |
Posted By: msoundsystem
Date Posted: 18 August 2020 at 7:57am
| Thanks for all the advice guys! Im going to look at what markie suggested the Clark "Bandit" kit. Will order today and let you know how i get on when it arrives... thanks! |
Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 18 August 2020 at 9:45am
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Ive been through several cheap nail guns and they all worked for a while but eventually start to jam. Since then ive got a nice Bostitch gun and it is much better engineered. The cheapos work for a while though, depends how many cabs your building, and if you remember to oil them, and have as water vapor collector on your air line. I probably didnt treat the cheapos as well as i should of. ------------- James Secker facebook.com/soundgearuk James@soundgear.co.uk www.soundgear.co.uk |
Posted By: msoundsystem
Date Posted: 18 August 2020 at 12:28pm
| Cheers timebomb.. il keep that advice in mind.. im only using it for say 20 cabs a year. Only to hold panels together. So nothing too expensive required. |
Posted By: Digbethdave
Date Posted: 18 August 2020 at 6:44pm
| I've just bought a vonhaus from amazon, under forty delivered. It's not something I use often enough to justify spending more atm. But I have some studio racks to build this week. Having access to a decent sized hydra vane compressor. Should see it right. |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 19 August 2020 at 5:51pm
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Unless you are mass producing, a brad gun is pointless
------------- Mykey Wattco |
Posted By: JonB67
Date Posted: 19 August 2020 at 6:33pm
| I don't agree. An air nailer/stapler is quick and doesnt have to be expensive. Why not use one? |
Posted By: msoundsystem
Date Posted: 19 August 2020 at 7:24pm
+1
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JonB67 wrote:Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 19 August 2020 at 7:27pm
 ------------- Mykey Wattco |
Posted By: Digbethdave
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 8:07pm
| The vonhaus I got from amazon, I've now used, 2 sticks of brads and it seems OK. The control for 'power' seems to do naff all. And it doesn't have a soft foot, so tends to leave a mark. Apart from that I've done what I needed it for, and now it's in stock for when I might need it again. |
Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 9:03pm
| Can't beat a Paslode nail gun |
Posted By: Digbethdave
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 9:06pm
You don't want to be putting nails into ply
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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 10:04pm
IM65- F16 is built for it. |
Posted By: Digbethdave
Date Posted: 23 August 2020 at 10:37pm
| OK, cheers. I'll keep that in mind. But since I've got air, and a cheapo brad gun, I'll keep with that, until I feel the need |
Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 26 August 2020 at 7:46pm
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Date Posted: 26 August 2020 at 8:21pm
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Posted By: msoundsystem
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 7:13pm
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So after using the clark bandit compressor and nail gun recommended by Markie, i can confim its a fantastic piece of kit! Effortlessly fires brads into plywood/mdf. Takes a moment to set it up out the box but when its running its perfect. The only criticism is the quick release on the end of the airline to the gun leaks sometime, iv just ordered another coupling kit to put on the end so its all good.. well worth £140 tho!!!! Makes lining up and holding panels in place while putting screws in a dream! Put it through its paces building 6 cabs and 5000 brads later.
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Posted By: markie
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 9:17pm
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Every so often Machinemart have VAT free offers. Mine was only about £115.00 when I bought it.
------------- If it's got wheels or tits it's gonna cost a fortune |
Posted By: citizensc
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 10:19pm
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Is it possible to build a good quality cab with out screws? In the past I have always had a second person around so one person just holds the panels while the other drives in a screw with an impact driver. Can you just glue an staple a cab together and expect it to last? I am thinking of building then clear coating some cabs and I don't want a bunch of ugly screw heads down the side. Answer like I know nothing, I have never used a powered nail/staple gun before. |
Posted By: JulianDA
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 11:57pm
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Just remember that a good glue joint is stronger than the sorrounding wood. If you can manage to get enough clamping-pressure on the joint while glueing, it will be as strong as if it had screws. For me, the screws are just clamps for glueing and for holding the panels in the right place before the glue has set. But i have to admit, that i just leave them in there... just to ease my mind a little
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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 14 October 2020 at 4:44pm
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Sticking panels together is one thing, reinforcing joints is another. There are many ways to build cabs, you can glue and butt joint, you can glue and rebate in, you can add screws/nails/brads/staples, you can dovetail or box joint, or mitres and spines. It's all about realising the use and abuse and taking it from there. There's no doubt that just glue and butt joints can build a box but it won't long survive a life on the road, the joint might survive but the wood may start splitting, hence why screws are using to reinforce joints. Brads are great for helping with glue ups especially if you're short on clamps. Staples are a step up in terms of strength but urgh staples. When I build stuff I rebate in, glue and a couple of brands to keep it together while i do pilot holes for the screws. Means you no longer have to wait for the glue to dry. Also for what it's worth, clamping with too much pressure seems to starve the joint too. Firm pressure is enough.
For what its worth I hear good things about the silverline brad guns. About the one decent thing they do. |
Posted By: msoundsystem
Date Posted: 14 October 2020 at 5:52pm
| All glued and screwed together. The brad gun just makes it super fast and easy to assemble each pannel to a firm fix then fire screws in. Built 6 cabs in half the time with this method. |
Posted By: Digbethdave
Date Posted: 14 October 2020 at 9:14pm
Yeah this. |