Windows XP !!
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Topic: Windows XP !!
Posted By: slaz
Subject: Windows XP !!
Date Posted: 04 December 2020 at 11:01pm
Yes folks - I have a scenario whereby I want to install Windows XP on a old PC !! The PC does not get used on the internet _at all_
Now I can install xp with a valid (legal, in fact !!) product key .... but it seems there's now NO WAY to activate the damn thing. I hear M$ shut down the server that activates XP :-/
So - don't suppose anyone has any tricks to get around this ? Obviously I've googled a fair bit, but nothing reliable comes up .... if there _are_ any tricks, I'm thinking M$'s travelling bots may have deleted/hidden them.
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Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 04 December 2020 at 11:04pm
Phone the activation line telephone number.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 05 December 2020 at 1:26am
Haven't done that myself, but I'm reliably informed that doesn't work ... and if you hold to try and get a human (well, a M$ pseudo-human trained monkey) they just say "can't help you".
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Posted By: KDW32
Date Posted: 05 December 2020 at 11:41am
you could go find yourself a copy of XP black edition make sure it doesn't come with free malware.
Option B here might help you https://superuser.com/questions/1502796/how-do-i-activate-windowsxp-now-that-support-has-ended/1502890#1502890" rel="nofollow - https://superuser.com/questions/1502796/how-do-i-activate-windowsxp-now-that-support-has-ended/1502890#1502890
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 December 2020 at 2:21pm
Is there any reason you just cannot install Windows 7 x64 instead?
Then all these un-necessary headaches go away.
Especially if you buy Dell PC with Windows 7 COA Certificate.
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Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 05 December 2020 at 3:07pm
levyte357- wrote:
Is there any reason you just cannot install Windows 7 x64 instead?
Then all these un-necessary headaches go away.
Especially if you buy Dell PC with Windows 7 COA Certificate. |
Not always possible, I have an old Alienware laptop that won’t
reliably run anything newer than Vista, Win 7 can be installed on it but due to
lack of Win 7 drivers for the touch bar the thing becomes totally unstable….
BSOD city!!
Also, some software tools still
require 16bit support and won’t run on anything newer than XP, this is common with
industrial PLC and motor drive/inverter commissioning software, all my machines
all have an XP vm on them for this reason.
Late last year I installed a brand new Schneider
servo drive on an industrial punch, the drive's commissioning software still required XP to run. 
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 December 2020 at 11:03pm
I used to always build my own PCs, then frig XP onto them for free.
Then I discovered DELL ex Corp PCs and COA Certificates, auto SLIC activation.
My main machines are Ubuntu LTS, have 2x DELL laptops running Windows 10.
Life so much easier now.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 06 December 2020 at 2:25pm
APW wrote:
Also, some software tools still
require 16bit support and won’t run on anything newer than XP, this is common with
industrial PLC and motor drive/inverter commissioning software, all my machines
all have an XP vm on them for this reason.
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^^^ This. There are still quite a few pieces of industrial machinery that require this .... (as well as often needing a RS232 port).
How can M$ be sooo ignorant and stupid as to just pull the plug like this ? I mean yeah from their POV, they might wanna plaster warnings all over it, but why not just leave that server running ???
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Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 07 December 2020 at 4:18pm
Can potentially sort you a HP machine that you could put XP on
Just let me know :)
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 08 December 2020 at 2:33pm
Sinai Sound wrote:
Can potentially sort you a HP machine that you could put XP on |
Thanks for the offer ... but that scenario has gone away now. Had to bite the bullet and organise a somwewhat newer machine that can take win7 32-bit. Thats gonna have diferent hassles though :-/
Just curious though - what did you jave in mind ? PC with the original OEM XP disk ? Still not sure if that would actually activate at the time of install ... and then there'd be a possibillty of it wanting to re-activate if any hardware changes are made. Pah !
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 December 2020 at 3:12pm
I would imagine, someone could pick up DELL i5 desktop, with Windows 7 COA for approx £70.
Just give it 8gb ram, and 240gb SSD, and it will run Win 10 x64 decently.
Could buy internal pcie serial card, and good possibility XP Compatibility mode under Win 10, allow XP apps to run.
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Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 08 December 2020 at 6:52pm
XP Compatibility mode cannot run 16bit binaries on 64bit versions
of windows as they don’t support WOW16.
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 09 December 2020 at 12:39pm
APW wrote:
XP Compatibility mode cannot run 16bit binaries on 64bit versions
of windows as they don’t support WOW16.
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OK, forget compatibility mode, just go via VM.
I just think starting point should be Windows 10 x64 i5 machine, with SSD, and at least 8gb ram, and DELL Windows COA.
You can then install Windows XP in VM, and go from there.
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Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 10 December 2020 at 9:14am
slaz wrote:
Sinai Sound wrote:
Can potentially sort you a HP machine that you could put XP on |
Thanks for the offer ... but that scenario has gone away now. Had to bite the bullet and organise a somwewhat newer machine that can take win7 32-bit. Thats gonna have diferent hassles though :-/
Just curious though - what did you jave in mind ? PC with the original OEM XP disk ? Still not sure if that would actually activate at the time of install ... and then there'd be a possibillty of it wanting to re-activate if any hardware changes are made. Pah !
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HP Machine with Vista license on top, but if you use their old HP OEM XP restore disc (which I've slipstreamed SP3 and latest updates to in the past) it activates without even being connected to the internet, or even entering a product key.
HP XW4600 workstation in question here.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 10 December 2020 at 1:16pm
levyte357- wrote:
APW wrote:
XP Compatibility mode cannot run 16bit binaries on 64bit versions
of windows as they don’t support WOW16.
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VM. Windows 10 x64 i5 machine, with SSD, and at least 8gb ram, and DELL Windows COA.
You can then install Windows XP in VM, and go from there.
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?? Why use a VM ? How does that help with activation ?
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 10 December 2020 at 3:53pm
slaz wrote:
levyte357- wrote:
APW wrote:
XP Compatibility mode cannot run 16bit binaries on 64bit versions
of windows as they don’t support WOW16.
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VM. Windows 10 x64 i5 machine, with SSD, and at least 8gb ram, and DELL Windows COA.
You can then install Windows XP in VM, and go from there.
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?? Why use a VM ? How does that help with activation ?
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Is a trivial thing, to patch SLIC ACPI table in VirtualBox VM, so Windows XP /7 x64 auto activates.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 22 December 2020 at 11:25am
Ah OK - didn't know that ... never got around to tinkering with VM's really.
Anyway - an update to this litle scenario in the unlikely event someone else gets into the situation.
I was having a look inside some winxp iso's I have - and ... BOOM !! The XP Home iso I have turns out to be a Dell OEM one - with the necessary stuff to auto-activate (and not require a key) - and - guess what - the machine is a Dell :-) :-) So yup - worked perfectly and that machine is now hunky dory with XP instead of Win7 x86 - which is what I wanted.
Dunno if <cough cough> anyone might be willing to share a HP OEM CD iso - then between him and me we'll have Dell and HP covered for XP (I'm happy to share the Dell one) :-)
Now I need to turn attention to my trusty Asus eeePC901 - which still works very well (with XP) to run Virtual DJ ver7 home - does everything I want for playing reggae (i.e. no beat-matching kind of stuff reqd.) and my little VDJ script thingys assign function keys to siren, screechy sound, gunshots, hooter etc. and B does a bass cut, C brings bass back in, R does a decent enough pseudo rewind .... Works very well on batteries - good life with ethernet, bluetooth, wi-fi all disabled.
The Asus netbook runs XP (already activated) also - need to find a way to back up its c: partition. Its on built-in SSD, so can't take the drive out and image it on another machine. If I can scare up a older version of Acronis that'll boot from a USB stick - should be do-able.
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 22 December 2020 at 12:00pm
I remember, when I had the time, to screw around with old computers, and ancient software, unnecessarily.
Then life got easier, when I didn't bother with software or hardware, that was a headache.
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Posted By: fatfreddiescat
Date Posted: 22 December 2020 at 9:42pm
https://www.hirensbootcd.org/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.hirensbootcd.org/
Download the iso and createa boot usb stick with rufusn
Included in hirens is Lazesoft image creator.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 23 December 2020 at 3:36am
levyte357- wrote:
I remember, when I had the time, to screw around with old computers, and ancient software, unnecessarily.
Then life got easier, when I didn't bother with software or hardware, that was a headache. |
Well I know what you mean - but .....
Modern s/w .... heh - not too long ago I tried to use the current version of Acronis - barfed on just duplicating a partition - pah ! Plenty of bloat and bells + whistles - shame they don't feckin work. And there's plenty of examples like that I can think of. Mouth and no trousers syndrome - for marketing purposes.
Modern laptops ... with non-swappable batteries ? Eck ! .... and you have to dismantle the thing to plug in a stick of memory ??? Rubbish. A Dell Inspiron (coupla years old) I encountered was put together with the most ludicrous screw (just ONE of them) had a head that I just didn't have a screwdriver for - even after asking matey over the road who has just about every conceivable type/size of screwdriver. ... stupidly tiny cross-head. I just had to give up on upgrading the memory. Pah.
I'll carry on using that ancient litle Asus "netbook" with its 9" screen, Intel Atom 1.6GHz, 1GB RAM, winxp for as long as I can. It ain't broke, so I ain't gonna fix it. It works like a champ for its purpose (it doesn't do anything else) and has done for years. The context is playing out through - well I suppose you'd call it a baby sound system - totally off-grid, so battery power needs to last. With the eeePC I can play all day and half the night with the 3 batteries I can swap out.
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Posted By: slaz
Date Posted: 23 December 2020 at 3:41am
fatfreddiescat wrote:
https://www.hirensbootcd.org/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.hirensbootcd.org/
Download the iso and createa boot usb stick with rufusn
Included in hirens is Lazesoft image creator. |
Oh yeah - forgot about rufus ... that should do it. Getting old :-/ (I mean me - not rufus).
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Posted By: fsp
Date Posted: 19 August 2022 at 9:29am
most program now dont work on windows xp but if you still want then get micro xp , very little size that your pc will become very very fast
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