Modern 21" Full Scoops
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Topic: Modern 21" Full Scoops
Posted By: levyte357-
Subject: Modern 21" Full Scoops
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 10:19am
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Wondering how many crews, would be interested in buying, new full Scoops, custom tuned for modern drivers like 18sound, B&C, but still play well with PD2150. Drew up design years ago, that would outplay Superscooper 21, but build cost due to CNC/Ply prices, meant it did not happen. They would only be available with full grill, painted, min order Quantity 4x. Obviously would not be cheap, hence never getting any built. If there is any interest, I would get set of 4x built, for demo purposes ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 12:31pm
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I'll need to get some cabs built at some point as i doubt anything decent and used will pop up. Only have 1 option to go to for a new cab unless i get own plan drawn up and made and proto'd etc. But doubt ive got time for that ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:06pm
There are fewer builders around now, and I'm sure ply pricing is absolutely nuts. So I wouldn't like to say, what a set of 4x will cost !! ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
luton_soundman wrote:Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:09pm
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Ye birch is a joke. Think finished 18" full scoop in birch is £700 now ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:17pm
| Eight by four, 18mm is 300plus a SHEET ATM. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:22pm
Wow, crew would need to be getting paid serious bucks, to pay for new cabs, right now.. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 1:30pm
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Just heard 8x4 birch can be had for about £150, from the right places. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 4:27pm
| AHH great, I did think my mate was a bit high, at 300, also, bodes well for me getting more boxes, without a remortgage lol. |
Posted By: zigzagwanderer
Date Posted: 08 September 2022 at 8:01pm
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Can confirm as I checked this week 18mm birch is £145 a sheet local to me in the south west, was told it went up to £175 a couple of months back but seems to have come down a little again. crazy when I was paying £65 a pop 18 months ago.  |
Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 10:03am
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really is hard for the cab builders now and people with just a little hobby to get decent c abs built now , tbh i think if i was starting now it would be bloody hard work and I only have a small system compared to most people
just looked up here 148 quid for a sheet ,and with most full size cabs at 2.5/3 sheets it gets pricey when wanting 4/6 boxes :( ------------- TRENDSETTER SOUND SYSTEM |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 10:18am
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Also means my 8x Lev .44 Scoops, made from 3x Sheets each, with mad extra bracing, are now worth even more money !!   ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 11:13am
Trendsetter sounds amazing too
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 11:23am
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Yeah its not easy business to be in. But the cost of everything has gone up it seems most business's are feeling the strain. I'll be getting utimate to build me some mid highs soon though. Luckily dont have to worry about getting cabs built for my 2150s yet as ive got 18" minis also. When i cross that bridge it wont be pretty ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 12:30pm
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that's one thing about the ASS RX18 3.5 SHEETS of ply per cab :) on a side note I'm so glad i just got back my original cabs from 2010 Steve b scoops fully rebated and in propa birch ply its my 5th time owning Steve b but its my first set back again for the record i paid 900 for 4 in 2010 not painted or grilled but with wheels :) i sold them in 2011 and they sat in a lock up until Dec last year not even loaded up , i had been pestering the guy for years and he finally said "may as well" i was beyond happy , i took these cabs all over the uk so have memories :)
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 1:42pm
Love that feeling of buying bk old cabs. Tried it with my minis but no1 would let them go  i was lucky to find someody selling 8 but i was looking for a good year. If i hadnt found them i would have bought new. ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 1:45pm
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Bk on topic, lev get them 21 scoops built, il load my 2150s and play them in 1 of the london soundchek events ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 3:17pm
No SteveB around, to build moderately priced cabs. May cost me over £3200, to get 4x cabs built, and then no guarantee of sales as a result. Tough decision.
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Posted By: vibes92
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 3:25pm
| what happend to steve b ? |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 3:34pm
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Was told quite a while bk he stopped building. Lev what about having them built in a cheaper ply? Had 1 of my shutter ply stevebs a/b with a top builders birch ply 50/52 scoop which was also braced alot more throughout the cab and mouth and the steveb still done the job let alone if it was braced the same as the bitch ply cab. Id buy non birch cabs still. Or maybe just use birch for the driver baffle as 2150 weighs a ton ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 8:32pm
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Would it be amiss of me to suggest that 24mm ply would problably be preferable? Tony Rossell (TonyASS) used 24mm in his 21 inch scoops and with the amount of low frequency energy one of these beasts would be capable of lots of additional bracing would seem to be the order of the day. So, several hundred pounds in weight, several hundred pounds in price and the money for a back brace and surgical support - seems about right for Disco Dave! ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 09 September 2022 at 10:03pm
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CNC'd, well braced, & professionally assembled cab, will be fine in 18mm birch ply. No need for 24mm at all, that is just unecessary over kill. Cabs designed and built, with no compromise, fitted with top class optimal drivers, and powered with top class amplifiers, with plenty of headroom, is proven route to success. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: Contour
Date Posted: 10 September 2022 at 6:42am
| Mainly a thick baffle can be usefull, but by glueing 2x18 together you are even much stiffer than 24mm plate. |
Posted By: Sinai Sound
Date Posted: 10 September 2022 at 7:35pm
| Friend in Sheffield has 24mm scoops and they are RIDICULOUSLY heavy |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 11 September 2022 at 8:55am
People who have moved my 18" Scoops around have told me, my Scoops unloaded, were heavier than many Scoops loaded !! That tells me, many builders in the past, skimped on sufficient bracing, to save material cost and increase profit, at the cost of performance/build quality. Thereby resulting in many thinking 24mm is mandatory, for heavy drivers, whereas just 24mm driver baffle, with optimal doubled up bracing where needed, is more than enough. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: cardiffdon
Date Posted: 11 September 2022 at 11:04am
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Posted By: hi grade
Date Posted: 11 September 2022 at 11:17am
| Are scoops not old fashion now ? Is paraflex not the way forward ? |
Posted By: hectorberman
Date Posted: 11 September 2022 at 5:30pm
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Horses for courses.. Paraflexes are great for their own reasons, and are definitely loud and punchy, however don't seem to (in my opinion) share the warmth and depth of a scoop. (Before anyone goes nuts, our soundystem has paraflex subs, not scoops)
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Posted By: hi grade
Date Posted: 11 September 2022 at 8:03pm
| That is interesting what drivers and amps do you use my friend ? |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 12 September 2022 at 9:12am
This is interesting. Think it deserves it's own thread. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 13 September 2022 at 9:46pm
Yes scoops ae old fashion and no good... go paraflex... and sell me all your scoops  ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: hi grade
Date Posted: 13 September 2022 at 10:22pm
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Posted By: woody2
Date Posted: 13 September 2022 at 11:45pm
What grade is that? |
Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 14 September 2022 at 7:37am
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18mm, 13 lam, void free, Baltic marine. Though, my quote turned out to be a bit steep
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 14 September 2022 at 10:31am
The magnitude plots for both types of cab at the same physical volume tell you all you need to know on that front. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 14 September 2022 at 12:44pm
This is not a Paraflex vs Scoop thread. So the subject tells me all I need to know, on that front. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |