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Topic: Bass Amp survery - Scoop System Owners
Posted By: levyte357-
Subject: Bass Amp survery - Scoop System Owners
Date Posted: 03 November 2022 at 12:52pm
You own a Scoop System, play mostly Dub/Reggae, and use a bass Pre-amp/gadget.

Which amplifier are you using on sub !?

Obviously, we don't need to hear about amplifiers like Behringer, or other riff raff..

LOL





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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 03 November 2022 at 1:24pm
Recently bucked the trend and brought a heavyweight ca copy from China (yeah shoot me down) and so far happy with it's performance. Needed the same power as a 5k macro tech, and it seems to deliver.

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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 03 November 2022 at 1:53pm
I run a reggae system
I play roots and dub 
still on the sae pxm1450(  that's the transformer model ), benched at 2300 at 4 ohm 40hz ,just tiny bit less power than the void infi but to my ears much flatter natural sound , have owned the crown vz and big crest and void but this is my current choice as its 2u ,modern( bought brand new )  ,more efficient  on a 13 amp feed than all the other mentioned , only sacrifice is it will not do 2ohm but I have run 3 drivers a side many times with 0 issues :) tho I am only running humble pd1850s I did try it on some b&C sw115 and sounded great but did need more power , only thing I will swap to is powersoft k20 ( wish i had got one in lockdown prices high atm :( ) or icrown 12000 under testing that sounded real nice and had more power than the sae ,I would say mc2 e90 as I love the sound but have seen it many times in red and just running 2 drivers a channel 
the cvr 3302 and admarks keep nagging at my brain esp for 900 quid to the door  but I just cant do it as this is tried and tested  
As a side note i also do fair few hire outs for drum and bass events had few good DJS on the system and it gets grilled for hours and hours from 9 till 5/6am  and never had any issue !! ( oh god should not have said that LOL
and take a breath that's me done :) 


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 03 November 2022 at 2:32pm
Yes Paulus agree with almost all of that..

I had decided on QSC PL380, and owned about 5x at 1x point, but they really only go to town properly, on 1x leg of 3PH supply/genset, so sold them.


Powersoft X4L     - The Don, out of budget
Powersoft K20     - too pricey for 4x drivers
Void 8MK2         - Really want to go back to this, can't find any
CVR                   - Will never Touch these
E90                   - Lovely sound, also seen it clip 2x 8 ohm drivers per side
FFA10                - Contradicting Feedback
SAE PXM 1450    - Can't find any
Admark K35/K40 - More contradicting feedback
Lab Copies          - Will never touch these again


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Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 8:33am
I run PL380 and have 4 of them running up to 16 subs, only ever run them with 2 x PD1850 or 2 x V1000 per channel. Definitely have more grunt on a 3 phase supply but our normal voltage in Aus is 240 not 230 like the UK/Europe and we often come across venues where the standard 10amp wall plugs put out 250V-255V and voltage drop is not often a problem here, our mains is HOT.

3 Phase is much more available here than anywhere else I have ever lived, almost every venue has at least 1 tucked away in some corner, just have to make sure you have a long enough 3 phase cable.

I have played alongside a sound system using FFA10K on sub a fair few times and also heard them play a lot. He runs PD1850 in supers off the FFA10K and regularly runs 8 boxes off the 1 amp. Personally I think that is a very good amp, pretty much on par with my PL380's. Personally I would take that over a K10/K20 but that is mainly a tone thing rather than power limitations, never been a fan of the K series tone.

Other than the PL380, FFA10K, Lab 14/20Q, K10/K20 I have mostly used old heavyweights, QSC MX3000a, RMX5050a, EV P3000, MA5000VZ etc and the new stuff just has so much more power than the heavy stuff ever did.

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Melbournes Rootical Warrior
Roots - Dub - Steppers

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Posted By: Aurora
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 11:08am
Has anyone got one of the Elements Audio K1600? Looks to be the upgraded version of the SAE PXM1450 with a bigger transformer and more smoothing caps. Considering trying one out, though currently run a void inf8v2 and it sounds fantastic across four fane xbs.


Posted By: JBK
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 12:04pm
8 scoops sound, 4 loaded with pd186/2, 4 loaded with voids v18-1000 (yeah I know mismatched drivers, please send €€€ to my paypal if it triggers your OCD)

used to use EV p3000s 8 ohm (1xdriver per channel 8 ohms), => best sounding bass my sound has ever outputed, but carrying 120kg of amps for 8 drivers was just not cutting it, not enough at all for 4 drivers an amp.

Now we are on matrix amps (1x xt7000MF and 1x xt10000MF, 2 drivers a channel in 4 ohms ) and I like the deep clean tone they deliver and the weight/rack space savings !!! I only use peak limiters and no rms limiters so I never dared to push them to right under the clip as we can't really afford recones and on paper they could easily fry all of the drivers, on reality I doubt it but I can't afford destructive testing.

For small gigs (4 scoops or less)  I tend to take the EV P3000s on the v18s and not worry about their clip leds when playing angry ... never broke a driver and gosh I love that early clipping bass sound !!!


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by Aurora Aurora wrote:

Has anyone got one of the Elements Audio K1600? Looks to be the upgraded version of the SAE PXM1450 with a bigger transformer and more smoothing caps. Considering trying one out, though currently run a void inf8v2 and it sounds fantastic across four fane xbs.


I think the climate change police, are considering banning Void 8 Mk2s, so maybe you should sell it to me!!

LOL


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by fat_brstd fat_brstd wrote:


I have played alongside a sound system using FFA10K on sub a fair few times and also heard them play a lot. He runs PD1850 in supers off the FFA10K and regularly runs 8 boxes off the 1 amp. Personally I think that is a very good amp, pretty much on par with my PL380's. Personally I would take that over a K10/K20 but that is mainly a tone thing rather than power limitations, never been a fan of the K series tone.

Wondering what's max current, anyone ever seen FFA10 pull?


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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 2:30pm
well i know someone who uses the elements amp and he runs 3v1000s scoops a side off it without issues ,he sold his crown vz5000 for it and hasn't looked back :) 

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 07 November 2022 at 3:10pm
Yet another K20 "like" China amp for consideration.

Jury already out on Admark, K35/K40, but China manufacturer I rate in top 5x, is Sinbosen.

Waiting for price quote on this: ( I would hope for 50% of rated power on sub)

https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/4000w-8000w-subwoofer-amplifier-p00304p1.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/4000w-8000w-subwoofer-amplifier-p00304p1.html



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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 08 November 2022 at 12:18am
same design as the admark/morin/cvr amps with some differences in fans and cap ratings. but sinbosen are offering a 3 year warranty - best I negotiated out of the others was 2 years.

https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/info/why-choose-sinbosen-d2-3000-d4-2000-digital-amplifier-compared-with-other-companies-i00135i1.html" rel="nofollow - Why choose Sinbosen D2-3000 D4-2000 digital amplifier compared with other companies (sinbosenaudio.com)

BTW bottom right image on that page shows a sinbosen badged amp with the 220uF Samxon caps found in cvr amps rather than the 270uF nichicon they say they now use.


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 08 November 2022 at 10:23am
Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

same design as the admark/morin/cvr amps with some differences in fans and cap ratings. but sinbosen are offering a 3 year warranty - best I negotiated out of the others was 2 years.

https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/info/why-choose-sinbosen-d2-3000-d4-2000-digital-amplifier-compared-with-other-companies-i00135i1.html" rel="nofollow - Why choose Sinbosen D2-3000 D4-2000 digital amplifier compared with other companies (sinbosenaudio.com)

BTW bottom right image on that page shows a sinbosen badged amp with the 220uF Samxon caps found in cvr amps rather than the 270uF nichicon they say they now use.


Have you tried 1x yet?

I have 4 ohm drivers, and was intending to use lower rated, 1u k20 lookalike model, for 1x per channel, but economics is just not making sense.


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Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 08 November 2022 at 11:16am
I've got CVR 2004 and 1004 and Morin K420. Haven't had a chance to push them to limit on bass drivers yet. 1004 amps are on an install and not breaking a sweat. DSP interface is nice.


Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 08 November 2022 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by fat_brstd fat_brstd wrote:


I have played alongside a sound system using FFA10K on sub a fair few times and also heard them play a lot. He runs PD1850 in supers off the FFA10K and regularly runs 8 boxes off the 1 amp. Personally I think that is a very good amp, pretty much on par with my PL380's. Personally I would take that over a K10/K20 but that is mainly a tone thing rather than power limitations, never been a fan of the K series tone.

Wondering what's max current, anyone ever seen FFA10 pull?


The FFA10K is a bit of a weird one as it has 2 power supplies that each take a 16A powercon input. The guy I know who has one runs it off a distro with 20A breakers and he has never tripped one from over current but he is only running half of the amp on any one leg of a 3 phase.

I dont think they took current draw measurements when they did the big shootout at abletronics back in the day but it scored exactly the same as the PL380 at 40hz (2916w into 4ohms)

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Adrians Wall Sound System
Melbournes Rootical Warrior
Roots - Dub - Steppers

http://www.facebook.com/adrians.wall" rel="nofollow - facebook page


Posted By: king david
Date Posted: 08 November 2022 at 10:45pm
The FFA can do 3 or 4 drivers a side much better than the pl380, they are closer at 4ohms

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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 09 November 2022 at 8:19am
These :)



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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 09 November 2022 at 9:12am
https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/sinbosen-fp22000q-p00095p1.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/sinbosen-fp22000q-p00095p1.html

 
i have heard this amp running turbomax scoops and the bass was very good indeed with head room 


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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 09 November 2022 at 9:14am
@MarjanM are they the same as the elements amplifiers???

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 09 November 2022 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/sinbosen-fp22000q-p00095p1.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/sinbosen-fp22000q-p00095p1.html

 
i have heard this amp running turbomax scoops and the bass was very good indeed with head room 


Hi mate, was it 2x channels running 4x drivers, other 2x channels running kick bass?


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 11 November 2022 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

@MarjanM are they the same as the elements amplifiers???
Yes, Ben and I worked hard with the supplier to make those as reliable as possible!



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MM-Acoustics
www.mm-acoustics.com
https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713


Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 11 November 2022 at 3:35pm
https://www.elements-audio.com/shop/amplification/ck26-detail%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.elements-audio.com/shop/amplification/ck26-detail

i was really interested in this one ( to replace my pxm 1450  )but it seems there are none about 


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Posted By: vertx
Date Posted: 11 November 2022 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

@MarjanM are they the same as the elements amplifiers???
Yes, Ben and I worked hard with the supplier to make those as reliable as possible!


I've currently been trialing these and was considering providing them for people down here.

Unfortunately 1 of 5 I've received has had an issue. On arrival, the amp that arrived with a fault was producing electronic noise from one of the channels when connected to a driver, and the amp smelt like burning when powered on. Many weeks of back and forth, taking voltage, ohm, and other measurements for them, they sent me out a new input module, which I replaced, and it seemed to mostly fix the issue, although I'm not too happy with the QC and overall experience, I hope you've had a better run.


Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 12 November 2022 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by vertx vertx wrote:

Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

@MarjanM are they the same as the elements amplifiers???
Yes, Ben and I worked hard with the supplier to make those as reliable as possible!


I've currently been trialing these and was considering providing them for people down here.

Unfortunately 1 of 5 I've received has had an issue. On arrival, the amp that arrived with a fault was producing electronic noise from one of the channels when connected to a driver, and the amp smelt like burning when powered on. Many weeks of back and forth, taking voltage, ohm, and other measurements for them, they sent me out a new input module, which I replaced, and it seemed to mostly fix the issue, although I'm not too happy with the QC and overall experience, I hope you've had a better run.
We have sold over 500 units all over the world and the failure rate is extremely low and we had none of them fail because of factory defects but operator fault. Our SP2.26 are driving 3 18NLW9601 per channel effortlessly. 
Some number of our amps are coming to AU trough our AU distributor Buzz Hire. Container should ship next week.


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 12 November 2022 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

https://www.elements-audio.com/shop/amplification/ck26-detail%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.elements-audio.com/shop/amplification/ck26-detail

i was really interested in this one ( to replace my pxm 1450  )but it seems there are none about 
We have them on stock. Not UK dough. 


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Posted By: Norseman
Date Posted: 14 November 2022 at 3:51am
this year i upgraded my system

from 2 scoops on EV P3000 to 4 scoops (plus rest of the rig) on Powersoft X8


Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 14 November 2022 at 2:03pm
Crest 9001 is utterly dreadful.  You should not use these.  I will dispose of them for you.  Bring them all to me...... Big smile


Posted By: cardiffdon
Date Posted: 14 November 2022 at 7:09pm
LOL


Posted By: snowflake
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Yet another K20 "like" China amp for consideration.

Jury already out on Admark, K35/K40, but China manufacturer I rate in top 5x, is Sinbosen.

Waiting for price quote on this: ( I would hope for 50% of rated power on sub)

https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/4000w-8000w-subwoofer-amplifier-p00304p1.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sinbosenaudio.com/4000w-8000w-subwoofer-amplifier-p00304p1.html


did you get any response from Sinbosen about price for these? I've not had any response to my enquiry yet.


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

did you get any response from Sinbosen about price for these? I've not had any response to my enquiry yet.


I did.
Their Advert said no import duty/shipping costs on items shipped from their EU warehouse, but they don't don't ship to UK, from that location... Confused

So the pricing has left me less than enticed...

No considering FP30000q to run 1x driver per channel.



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Posted By: Esc4pe
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 4:46pm
What drivers do you use out of curiosity Lev?Embarrassed Just I’ve been on this page stalking it for years now and you are still on the same quest for a quality lighter bass amp for so long now! Have you tried E90 or E100?


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 16 November 2022 at 4:59pm
Originally posted by Esc4pe Esc4pe wrote:

What drivers do you use out of curiosity Lev?Embarrassed Just I’ve been on this page stalking it for years now and you are still on the same quest for a quality lighter bass amp for so long now! Have you tried E90 or E100?


Best drivers I've used are the 18sound 18NLW9601.

Next favourite are PD1851s.

The sound of PL380 on 1851s was fabulous, but combo not good on 13A plug, so now searching for amp(s) to power other 4 ohm drivers.


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